I got a photo ticket in my truck. The crime was driving through the intersection. However, the pictures clearly show me taking a right on red. I'd like to fight this, but I'm wondering if I didn't stop at the intersection before proceeding to take the right and maybe that's what they'll nail me on. Anybody ever do this and do I have a shot?

best bet might be to try and bargain it for either lower cost or reduced points, IMO

Seems like a still picture would be difficult for them to say you never stopped moving.  You'd need video showing you never stopped.  Was it possibly posted a no turn on red intersection?

JM

Photo enforcement tickets have multiple pictures. They just send you the one that shows it's you. And yes, you have to stop at the red before you make a right turn on red.

Quote from: hbliam on October 14, 2008, 09:21:20 AM
Photo enforcement tickets have multiple pictures. They just send you the one that shows it's you. And yes, you have to stop at the red before you make a right turn on red.

Here in AZ, they send you a PIN for a web page where you can see video. Pretty slick actually.

zenjim, if you didn't stop at the intersection before proceeding to take the right... do you think you committed a traffic violation?

My dad got one of those, they have multiple pictures and they had him on video. The only sure way i konw out of them is if the vehicle is registered to a company you can say that there are multiple drivers who drive that car and you cant identify who it is. But if you even think you might have stopped at the line before making the right turn and you have the the time its worth it to try i dont konw what court fees are but i think they out weigh a ticket and pts. on your license

Seems like "No Moto Content" or even "How-To" would be better places for this post.  But I am grumpy today and therefore should be disregarded.

Show up in court with these on, and claim it wasn't you!

Read up on this guy:

http://www.ticketassassin.com/

I've heard many success stories from friends and people that have used him.  It's essentially a trial by declaration, if you loose you can go for a "trial de novo" in which case you have to show up to court.  I tried it a while back and was found guilty.  I opted not to do the trial de novo and just paid the fine.

If you got time on your hands it might be worth a try.

GL!

Definitely not a no right on red situation.

Did I not come to a complete stop before taking the right? Beats me. It's a street I take every night.

Don't know if this works, but may be worth a try.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET

This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent. This system has been tried and it works in every state.

If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever the  case may be, you're going to get points on your license
and a surcharge on your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you DO NOT get the points.


When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is $79.00 make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. The system
will then have to send you back a check for the difference. However, here is the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it away!
 
Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions are complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are NOT complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and will no longer bother you.

This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up the standard databases used by every state.
 
Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need a break

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ticket.asp

Quote from: hbliam on October 14, 2008, 08:38:28 PM
http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ticket.asp

Thanks

Why didn't I think of that

In California, you have to stop at a red light before making a right turn.  It's so you don't run over any peds in the crosswalk.  Some photo tickets have multiple frames, one of you before the limit line.  The frame should have also captured the light showing red.  The next pic shows you past the limit line and the light still red.  If you look closely at the pic, there should be a timestamp.  Next to the timestamp, it will also have a reading of how fast you were going.  Good luck!

Quote from: pnut on October 15, 2008, 01:54:22 PM
In California, you have to stop at a red light before making a right turn.  It's so you don't run over any peds in the crosswalk.  Some photo tickets have multiple frames, one of you before the limit line.  The frame should have also captured the light showing red.  The next pic shows you past the limit line and the light still red.  If you look closely at the pic, there should be a timestamp.  Next to the timestamp, it will also have a reading of how fast you were going.  Good luck!

I believe I read an article in Motorcycle Consumer News about a writer who beat a ticket based on those two frames.  he quick stopped at the light and it showed him at 17mph through the red, but the elapsed time at that speed would've had him through the crosswalk.  The two photos showed him moving only a few feet.

Right on red ticket cameras are for one thing: revenue generation.  Those ticket cameras were intended to keep people from blowing red lights and causing major broadside accidents.  The statistical incidence on right on red accidents is very low.

Do the math and make sure you really did run through the light.  If you did, well yeah, you broke the law.  I'll let you decide what to do at that point.  If you didn't and the camera is lying, fight it.


Andy