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Why do helmet paint schemes stink?

Started by Munch, October 23, 2008, 03:36:07 PM

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You'd have to ask ducpainter what he would charge you
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Quote from: ryandalling on October 24, 2008, 08:08:14 AM
HJC has this full carbon fiber helmet that looks kick ass... till you flip to the front and see the GIANT HJC sticker that they clear coated over so that you can not remove it.  HJC is a lower end helmet but I still would have bought it, had it not had the big sticker ruining the effect of the carbon coolness.

i have the hjc carbon and its a great helmet.  they actually make one that has a bit of a pattern to it that looks pretty good too.  as for the hjc sticker, you can always find something to put over it, or just be proud of what youre wearing.

web pic of the solid carbon



same, but with graphics




Quote from: lauramonster on October 24, 2008, 09:14:52 AM
From what I've seen, the helmets come in 'badass kid" or plain.  What about cool? 

and if I had to go plain, I'd never choose black - summer's hot here in PA!! 

Gear and helmets need to be revamped.  Light colors for the summer and visibility (screw hiding dirt!).


as someone that grew up in texas, and wears a black helmet year round, i dont think you have anything to worry about getting too hot up there in PA .

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Quote from: Munch on October 23, 2008, 03:36:07 PM
I want something that doesn't scream I'm playing World of Warcraft later, follow me!


But you DO play World of Warcraft... 
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Quote from: Fox on October 24, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
That's a great looking helmet. What did it run you to paint?

Here's a link to the Troy Lee Designs pricing with explanations. 

I've had 3 quotes on painting my X-11 to match my RF-1000 Zemke Replica (Yellow).  They've all been within 50.00 of the TLD price and the descriptions are consistent with the prices I've been quoted.  Even adding your name or numbers can be pricey as hell depending on the font, paint, number of colors or metal leaf chosen. 

(BTW - not pushing TLD here they just happened to have the best descriptions re price points with pics for reference.   prices as i said have actually been pretty consistent across the board re my quotes.  Personally I'm not willing to spend the price of my helmet to have it painted.)

http://troyleedesigns.com/paint/pricing.php

Basic Graphics
Simple designs, few colors, straight-line graphics. May incorporate lettering, numbers and pin striping at additional charge.
Pricing starts at $400

Average to Detailed Graphics
Can include multiple colors, flames, chrome base designs, candy colors, lettering, numbers or pin striping.
Price ranging from $700 - $1500

Detailed Graphics
Can include anything from character work, theme designs, lettering, numbers, pin striping, or any combination of detailed airbrush work.
Pricing starts at $1200

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Quote from: COWBOY on October 24, 2008, 10:12:46 AM
Here's a link to the Troy Lee Designs pricing with explanations. 

I've had 3 quotes on painting my X-11 to match my RF-1000 Zemke Replica (Yellow).  They've all been within 50.00 of the TLD price and the descriptions are consistent with the prices I've been quoted.  Even adding your name or numbers can be pricey as hell depending on the font, paint, number of colors or metal leaf chosen. 

(BTW - not pushing TLD here they just happened to have the best descriptions re price points with pics for reference.   prices as i said have actually been pretty consistent across the board re my quotes.  Personally I'm not willing to spend the price of my helmet to have it painted.)

http://troyleedesigns.com/paint/pricing.php

Basic Graphics
Simple designs, few colors, straight-line graphics. May incorporate lettering, numbers and pin striping at additional charge.
Pricing starts at $400

Average to Detailed Graphics
Can include multiple colors, flames, chrome base designs, candy colors, lettering, numbers or pin striping.
Price ranging from $700 - $1500

Detailed Graphics
Can include anything from character work, theme designs, lettering, numbers, pin striping, or any combination of detailed airbrush work.
Pricing starts at $1200
For those prices I'll suffer with the manus graphics. ;D
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Quote from: Munch on October 23, 2008, 03:36:07 PM

I want something that doesn't scream I'm playing World of Warcraft later, follow me!


I would be worried about Harry Potter Groupies when I stopped for gas.   Seriously though I've noted HP fans liked the helmets your talking about.  So there is a market.
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I'm more or less stuck with the one-color-fits-all because I need 3XL. I would love graphics to a degree, but couldn't find any in my size.
The stripes are meant to go on fenders - cut the middle stripe down to fit within the air vents. Cheap and OK?


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I agree most graphics suck. AGV seems to have the best but they don't fit my head...Arai does. Arai is Japanese, so I'm guessing their inspiration comes from their cartoons.

This was the coolest Arai Vector that I could find...so I bought it.  ;D


M.N.

Quote from: Triple J on October 24, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
I agree most graphics suck. AGV seems to have the best but they don't fit my head...Arai does. Arai is Japanese, so I'm guessing their inspiration comes from their cartoons.

This was the coolest Arai Vector that I could find...so I bought it.  ;D



I picked up the same helmet.  The Phil Read rep is classy, and was cheaper than the same helmet in solid colors (or cruddy graphics) for some reason.  Did have to cover up the union Jack.

The only racer now I have seen with a relatively okay/simple design is Simoncelli's AGV design, which apparently does not exist in US stores.


Jarvicious

Quote from: Fox on October 24, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
That's a great looking helmet. What did it run you to paint?

Not being able to speak for how Nakid had his lid done, you can do the same thing with a fresh silver helmet (or whatever color) and some sheet vinyl that will run you no more than 10 bucks.  It does have a little bit of a raised look for it and wouldn't have any kind of clear coat over top, but I helped a buddy with his and it ended up looking really good, even up close.  I personally prefer a very understated helmet, or at the most something like Nakid's.  It's the bike I want people to look at, not my big-ass head.  Now if we could only get helmet manufacturers to put the decals OUTSIDE the clearcoat......
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Quote from: Jarvicious on October 24, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
Not being able to speak for how Nakid had his lid done, you can do the same thing with a fresh silver helmet (or whatever color) and some sheet vinyl that will run you no more than 10 bucks.  It does have a little bit of a raised look for it and wouldn't have any kind of clear coat over top, but I helped a buddy with his and it ended up looking really good, even up close.  I personally prefer a very understated helmet, or at the most something like Nakid's.  It's the bike I want people to look at, not my big-ass head.  Now if we could only get helmet manufacturers to put the decals OUTSIDE the clearcoat......

I may give that a shot because I'm not going to pay a grrrr to have it painted.
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Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2008, 10:18:21 AM
For those prices I'll suffer with the manus graphics. ;D

That's the point TOP was making. 

Some would like a non solid helmet that wouldn't have to be "suffered".  Hell I wouldn't spend a coin on a helmet I had to suffer with let alone the $500-700 that they retail for.   



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Duc Fever

Seems like these days the lower end lids have some of the best graphic designs.  I especially like some of the SPARX helmets.  They also get excellent reviews and the specs are impressive for a low cost helmet:

5 year limited warranty against manufacturer defects.
Crashed helmet program. (They replace it for free!!)
Meets or exceeds both DOT and ECE2205 standards.
Integrated ear plug storage straps.
Lightweight thermocomposite shell construction.
In-visor Anti-fog ventilation system.
From fitted contour cheek pads.
True ventilation channels for optimum circulation around face.
Quick release tool-less ratchet system.


Really like the "retro" style ones:



Not a bad deal for under $120.00 IMHO
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Different strokes...
I love my over-the-top, anime-inspired, super-flashy helmet. You can all keep your subtle boring paint schemes [laugh]


I also hate having the same helmet as everyone else, so the more variety the better. I would totally wear the white Suomy with the flames and flowers that someone dissed upthread. It was actually on my list but the Spec 1R isn't the best fit for me.

ducpainter

Quote from: COWBOY on October 24, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
That's the point TOP was making. 

Some would like a non solid helmet that wouldn't have to be "suffered".  Hell I wouldn't spend a coin on a helmet I had to suffer with let alone the $500-700 that they retail for.   



I guess the big smiley at the end didn't convey my sarcasm well enough.

I like my flashy helmet.

I was commenting on the prices quoted in the previous post for repaints.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”