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New Monster 1100/S

Started by cdc, November 01, 2008, 11:59:59 PM

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cdc


svoloch

Тише едешь, дальше будешь
2009 Streetfighter S
exes:
2006 Sh1t Hot Black Xerox 999     1973 BMW R75/5
2001 BMW K1200RS                     1994 BMW R1100S
1974 Guzzi T3                              1975 BMW R90/6
1975 BMW R90/S                         1973 Suzuki T500

webspoke

Streetfighter 1098S

Duc L'Smart

'07 1098s, '06 Paul Smart LE, '99 BMW K1200RS, '73 BMW R75/5, '67 Ducati Monza 250 Bevel Drive, '63 Vespa GS 160

ducnut

Streetfighter going to replace SBK motor equipped Monsters?

Slag

Quote from: ducnut on November 02, 2008, 07:46:53 AM
Streetfighter going to replace SBK motor equipped Monsters?

Yes it is. I think that it is a bad move, but what do I know. I'm sure that the street fighter will sell very well. I feel that the M1100S is a little pricey.

cdc

Quote from: The Svoloch on November 02, 2008, 04:29:08 AM
you forgot the other key stat:  370lbs. 

+1 svo.

I am however disappointed with the 7500 redline.  My current M1000S revs to 8250 at hits it pretty quickly.  I was hoping the new bike would rev to at least that or 8750-9000.  Maybe having a stout torque number has something to do with it.

cdc

RichD

Quote from: cdc on November 02, 2008, 09:44:10 AM...I am however disappointed with the 7500 redline...

Peak power at 7500 does not mean that is where the revlimiter will be.
The power output of most engines peaks a fair bit before the "redline"/revlimiter.

For example: My 900SS.  Peak power happens at about 7500RPM.  Redline is 9000RPM.
DFW-MFer!

cdc

Quote from: SUPER DUKE! on November 02, 2008, 01:34:30 PM
Peak power at 7500 does not mean that is where the revlimiter will be.
The power output of most engines peaks a fair bit before the "redline"/revlimiter.

For example: My 900SS.  Peak power happens at about 7500RPM.  Redline is 9000RPM.

True.

From the dyno graphs that I've seen on at least my three bikes, the peak is followed by an HP fall off and from my experience, the rev limiter kicks in very shortly thereafter.  This is from the Ducati website and mirrors my graph more or less. 




I have about 500+ revs before the limiter kicks in and it does so abruptly which kills the drive I would be trying to build whether trying to pass or trying to merge with traffic from an onramp.  It would be great if the peak HP can be held past peak with only a little fall off to give you a bigger overrev cushion but I don't think my bikes do that and I suspect this bike wouldn't either.  JMO

If this Monster will peak at 7500 and hang on to 9000 RPM with out a big fall in HP numbers that would be impressive. 


The ST4S graph is similar to this.



It has maybe 750 revs to the limiter.  Of course this is a different motor.

cdc

webspoke

The 1100DS motor in my Hyper seems to rev out to the 8500+rpm range, although it is definitley tunded for midrange in stock trim.
Streetfighter 1098S

cdc

I hope the one in the new Monster does too.  It lists more HP but torque at a higher peak RPM.  Curious how the difference in delivery of power between the bikes will be.

cdc

Spidey

Quote from: cdc on November 03, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I hope the one in the new Monster does too.  It lists more HP but torque at a higher peak RPM.  Curious how the difference in delivery of power between the bikes will be.

cdc

<pokes head into DFWM>

Redline on the 1100 is 8500 or 9000.  Don't remember zigactly as I was wickin' it up when I hit redline.  Each time.   [evil]  Seriously, don't be disappointed with the power curve.  All I know is that the engine was a kickass 2V street engine.  Really fun.  In stock form, there's a big hit of power/torque at about 5.5k and you ride it to about 7.5k where you want to shift anyway.  With an exhaust, it would open it up more down low, I bet.
Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.

bryant8

Thanks for the info Spidey [thumbsup]

For those that don't go into the GMF... Spidey got to spend a few days with the M1100 in Spain *drool*
2008 848
Mods: Full Termignoni Race Exhaust/ECU Tuned by AMS, Ducati Performance Dry Clutch Slipper Clutch, Öhlins steering damper
Next: Öhlins TTX shock and Öhlins fork internals, track body work
26.2 done 12/5/2010
70.3 by 10/12/2011
140.6 by 12/31/2012

Slag

I read that entire thread several times over. I really like the bike.

Kevin848

So I wonder how many people are going to be dropping their Red 1098 for a white 1198  ;D