I did my valve check at 6k, and everything measured  fine. I also checked the guides for any valve stem play. Seems just fine. I read where some of these had early failures of the guides. Can I assume I'll be ok in the future? If I did get a defective guide(s), would it usually show up around 6k mile service?
05 S2R800

Most of the valve guide issues were on the DS1000 motors.
They usually show up by the 6k, from what I've seen.
YMMV.

+1 to speeddog.

They were mostly related to DS1000 engines. Whats different about them from other engines im not so sure i know you need a different sized shim for the DS1000 motors, so that design difference might have something to do with it.

Eitherway, most problems show up pretty early since they werent made correctly. I had mine fairly worn by 6000 miles, and had them replaced at 8000 miles per warranty. i am at 9100 right now, and there hasnt been a leak in that general area yet. If your valve guides do go, you'll begin to notice oil leaks around that area.

This is a side question, but does anyone know if it is possible to get ducati to warranty the damage to the paint caused by the oil leaks, that were caused by the damaged valve guides?

'05 S2R 800 has 8mm valve stems, like all of the '06 and earlier non-DS 2-valvers.

All '07 and onward 2-valvers have 7mm stems.

Quote from: Speeddog on October 27, 2008, 02:42:06 PM
'05 S2R 800 has 8mm valve stems, like all of the '06 and earlier non-DS 2-valvers.

All '07 and onward 2-valvers have 7mm stems.

So the 7mm stems are the ones that are more prone?

Quote from: woppini on October 27, 2008, 06:04:33 PM
So the 7mm stems are the ones that are more prone?

Seems that way, but again the valve guide issues have been on DS1000 motors, at least from what I've seen.

SO I took my S2R1K in for a 6k service (warranty is up any day now), and the dealer said they were gonna do the guides under warranty. Incidental neither I or my dad (original owner) noticed anything wrong, I took her in for regular service, but made sure to do it under warranty just in case.

My question is this... assuming there were no warranty issues I was prepared to pay for the 6k service as normal. But seeing as there is a warranty issue to be taken care of... do you think I'll still have to pay the whole 6k service price? Won't some of the otherwise normal 6k work be covered under the guide replacement?

All of the valve clearance adjustment has to be done *after* the guide replacement, so IMO you shouldn't have to pay for that portion of it.

But YMMV.

Quote from: Speeddog on November 11, 2008, 01:47:10 PM
All of the valve clearance adjustment has to be done *after* the guide replacement, so IMO you shouldn't have to pay for that portion of it.

But YMMV.

+1 you should not need to pay for the valve adjustment since it must be done anyway (after the guide replacement)

Cool, that's kinda what I was thinking... Thanks guys 

Did any of the bikes use oil and have smoke out of the exhaust when the guides were crook?? And was there any clatter from the head??

I'm getting paranoid now!! I've got 34,000k up now and the tappet settings havent changed in the last 3 services so I'm hoping all is well.

Quote from: dragonworld on November 15, 2008, 03:39:40 PM
Did any of the bikes use oil and have smoke out of the exhaust when the guides were crook?? And was there any clatter from the head??

I'm getting paranoid now!! I've got 34,000k up now and the tappet settings havent changed in the last 3 services so I'm hoping all is well.

I didnt have smoke out of the exahust, and as far as using oil goes..... i dont think i burned much oil, i any, but there was a nasty oil leak that pretty much fouled up the paint job on my heads. It streaked from the top of the cylinder down to the side cases.

I had my guides replaced @ 11,000 miles & while it took a month, they changed the belts & did the 12K service @ no cost...... I didn't even pay for the parts like plugs, oil, filter, belts........ they also replaced the stepper motor.

That was the good news........ the bad news was the tech rushed the assembly & I ended up with a loose oil seal...bike smoked like my old 2 stoke Suzuki PE 250.... Upon pickup I asked about the smoke & the tech replied it was running rich & not to worry....... 100 miles later I took it to another dealer who honored the warranty & found the front cyl oil seal as well as the valve clearences off on both intake & exhust on both cyls   It was fixed free of charge but I was another 4 days without my bike.

Quote from: Speeddog on November 11, 2008, 01:47:10 PM
All of the valve clearance adjustment has to be done *after* the guide replacement, so IMO you shouldn't have to pay for that portion of it.

But YMMV.

Quote from: He Man on November 11, 2008, 02:32:54 PM
+1 you should not need to pay for the valve adjustment since it must be done anyway (after the guide replacement)

Well that's not what the dealer/Ducati think... They are charging me for the entire 6k service... Or trying to. Just had it out with them, and one of the guys thinks that I should be happy cause the price is only $19 more than the original estimate for the 6K...


Who should I call at Ducati to tell them I'm less than pleased with how they "honor" warranty work???

Update: So after talking to Ducati NA... they basically said I'm S.O.L.

What I've learned from this experience: When facing possible warranty issues, weather you notice symptoms or not, always tell the dealer you are there to get the warranty issue checked out "I think there may be a problem with the valve guides (in my case) could you check it out?"... (say nothing about it being serviced)... then if they don't find anything, and only if they don't find anything, you can tell 'em, go ahead and do a Xk service while your in there... YMMV

Big Strike for Ducati in my book after this one... will definitely influence any future purchase decisions for me! Booo!

The shop wants to charge you for the 6k not ducati.

Just tell them to not do the 6k and get the warranty done. Warranty is warranty. They cannot charge you for the valve adjustment since it must be done in conjunction with the valve guide replacement.

I hope you didnt just say okay.

Again, if ducati says okay to the warranty work. then simply tell them you do not want the 6k done. The big part of the 6k has already been done for you, and you can just change the fluids at home, and do a bolt check on your own.