I know there are threads on this stuff all over the forum, but would appreciate some up to date advice from any Ozmonster members, please.

Details: Bike is a 2003 model 620 Sport ie, basically a 620 monster with half fairing and a less comfortable riding position. I do bugger all k's on it, mainly due to family commitments. After its first 1000km service, I have been doing my own servicing every 6 months. This includes oil and filter, check of brake and clutch fluids, lube of other stuff and general once over. Sometimes it may only be 1,000 between these check ups.

So, with 10,000km (but five years) on the dial, I put it into Frasers Wollongong for a "proper" service. I also asked for the belts to be changed, and they advised that given the age of the bike a 20,000 km service was required. They had the bike overnight, and I got it back today. All of the work seems to have been done (as much as I can tell...), and the bill was $1,157...gulp. They also advised that the steering head bearings need to be replaced, and that the belts should be replaced every two years regardless of km travelled.

So, questions:

1. Is $1,200 the going rate for this service? Am I just being a tight arse?
2. Steering head bearings needing replacement after only 10,000km? I have never done wheelies or stoppies on the bike...
3. Belts every two years??

Thanks for any advice offered......

G'day Ducsport
I just had the 20,000km service on my '06 S2R1000 done by Frasers at Concord NSW.
It was $832.00

Yup $1200 sounds right.  I'm doing a 40k service on mine (M1000s) this month and looking at that many $$$.  I had new belts at 20k and will be getting new belts this time too.  But thats only 12 months as I don't have family commitments so I get to ride my bike  . Bummer about the steering head bearings - bet that's  expensive.  I've only had mine adjusted in 40k because they were too tight.

1. Is $1,200 the going rate for this service? Am I just being a tight arse?
2. Steering head bearings needing replacement after only 10,000km? I have never done wheelies or stoppies on the bike...
3. Belts every two years??

1. Thats why I do the servicing myself. You aint a tightarse.

2. Not impossinle, but I find it a bit strange.

3. Correct!! Its actually a very easy job and belts are cheaper from O/S, even with the readjustment of the dollar I reckon. (See CA-Cycleworks , great Video on changing belts too!!  )
I got the belts for my DS and the M750, 2 oil filters and a T shirt cheaper than what the local dealers were going to charge me for just the DS belts. (When the Oz dollar was good but still could be a BIG saving?? )

$1200 for a 20k service is steep, sorry, it just is. you do get extra stuff done over a 10 but it's only fork oil change, that's it. did the service include changing the steering head bearings? it would make sense, the forks are out for a 20 so from there it's just a simple task to drop the triples and replace the bearings. this by the way is no surprise, to me at least, my 03 S4R needed new ones at about 10 and the old ones were only greased half way round the race. if they weren't i would be asking why not, or at least why they didn't call you, it would have saved duplicating at least an hours labour (and subsequent labour charge, of course!) and yep, belts every 2 years, this is more important on bikes, especially 2 valvers, due to the tight run over a single pulley, that don't do many kays.


paul.

I spoke to Flywheels just before Xmas to get a rough price for 20 000 k service for a 620ie.
They said $8?? ish.

Quote from: tim_golfer2 on December 30, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
I spoke to Flywheels just before Xmas to get a rough price for 20 000 k service for a 620ie.
They said $8?? ish.

that's much more like it.


paul.

oh! g,day tim.

Hi Paul

Pathetic isn't it. I am getting quotes and I don't even have a bike!

I was in contact with Mattyvas before he went o/s and I am now fighting a very itchy trigger finger hoping to hang out til Oz day when he returns so I can have a look at his bike. Guess I'm just a sucker for the bling!

yeah, the 20k is the killer - and the belts would have been $200 of that. still - a lot of money!

this is the reason guys sell them if they aren't getting used a heap - it's just high maintenance cost if your not putting in the k's

Quote from: tim_golfer2 on December 30, 2008, 11:57:14 PM
Hi Paul

Pathetic isn't it. I am getting quotes and I don't even have a bike!

I was in contact with Mattyvas before he went o/s and I am now fighting a very itchy trigger finger hoping to hang out til Oz day when he returns so I can have a look at his bike. Guess I'm just a sucker for the bling!

nothing wrong with that...you know where it's been, how it's been treated and your riding a bike with confidence that the machine is top of the heap.

the 2 valvers (despite this thread) are a fair bit cheaper than the 4 valvers!

Thanks folks for all of your advice. Really appreciate it.

Quote from: Andy55 on December 30, 2008, 08:40:43 PM
G'day Ducsport
I just had the 20,000km service on my '06 S2R1000 done by Frasers at Concord NSW.
It was $832.00

Thanks Andy, confirms my suspicions.

Quote from: heatherp on December 30, 2008, 08:43:34 PM
.....But thats only 12 months as I don't have family commitments so I get to ride my bike  . Bummer about the steering head bearings - bet that's  expensive.  I've only had mine adjusted in 40k because they were too tight.

Think of us poor buggers when you are out riding Heather[thumbsup]Yep the steering head bearings sounded sus to me. I'm gonna have to work out a way to check them myself.

Quote from: dragonworld on December 30, 2008, 09:00:15 PM
1. Thats why I do the servicing myself. You aint a tightarse.
2. Not impossinle, but I find it a bit strange.
3. Correct!! Its actually a very easy job and belts are cheaper from O/S, even with the readjustment of the dollar I reckon. (See CA-Cycleworks , great Video on changing belts too!! 

Thanks heaps Dragon. I will be doing servicing myself from now onwards. In a past life I built and raced cars, and never had one of my engines fail, so I'm happy to give it a go. The CA-Cycleworks Vids are great

Quote from: loony888 on December 30, 2008, 10:21:31 PM
$1200 for a 20k service is steep, sorry, it just is. you do get extra stuff done over a 10 but it's only fork oil change, that's it. did the service include changing the steering head bearings? it would make sense, the forks are out for a 20 so from there it's just a simple task to drop the triples and replace the bearings. this by the way is no surprise, to me at least, my 03 S4R needed new ones at about 10 and the old ones were only greased half way round the race. if they weren't i would be asking why not, or at least why they didn't call you, it would have saved duplicating at least an hours labour (and subsequent labour charge, of course!) and yep, belts every 2 years, this is more important on bikes, especially 2 valvers, due to the tight run over a single pulley, that don't do many kays.
paul.

Paul, great advice as always. I have checked the invoice and the bike again, and best I can tell, the fork oil was not changed - the forks do not seem to have been removed, and there is no fork oil billed on the invoice. Everything else is on it, including $77 for Shell oil I can buy at $36 full retail. Feeling very ripped off now

Quote from: tim_golfer2 on December 30, 2008, 11:06:59 PM
I spoke to Flywheels just before Xmas to get a rough price for 20 000 k service for a 620ie.
They said $8?? ish.

Tim. Thanks for that. Hangout for Matty coming back. His monster is a top unit

Quote from: Spider on December 31, 2008, 12:03:58 AM
....this is the reason guys sell them if they aren't getting used a heap - it's just high maintenance cost if your not putting in the k's

Yes but its my baby. Better for me to roll up the sleeves and get back into being a mechanic again. At least I will get some shed time, if not riding time [moto]. Thanks Spider, and hope you find your new ride soon.

Again, thanks all.

Ty

personly changing the timing belts every two years is aload off shit if your done the miles yes but time should have no factor gates pride themselves on long lasting belts , i work on outboards and the only time you ever replace them if they start to crack and the belt tensions have been reduced now as well on the two valvers but if thats the case and they are shredding belts them im in trouble mine done 5 k and is three years spider want to buy a s2r 

Ducsport,

We have had our bikes serviced away from the 'dealers' and $800s I think is what we paid ... they probably also charged you four hours for taking your half fairing off and putting it back on ... perhaps you could compare your charged hours to another with with an appropriate invoice.

My belts were changed at 2 years with far fewer kms. Jukie had her's changed after about 4 years I think because we were advised it was not worth the risk - and decided not to take the risk.

... and Tim, have you been in contact with Dockstrada re. Matty's bike?

Hi Betty

haven't contacted Dockstrada about Matty's bike though I am aware he is looking after it while he is away.

Mainly because I probably don't want all the extra bits on it so I guess I need to talk directly to Matty to work out a price.

But thanks for the heads up.

PS just walked the kids down to Coogee to catch the 9:30 fireworks......fantastic

Happy New Year all

Quote from: bazz20 on December 31, 2008, 03:11:30 AM
personly changing the timing belts every two years is aload off shit if your done the miles yes but time should have no factor gates pride themselves on long lasting belts , i work on outboards and the only time you ever replace them if they start to crack and the belt tensions have been reduced now as well on the two valvers but if thats the case and they are shredding belts them im in trouble mine done 5 k and is three years spider want to buy a s2r 

actually it's the other way round bazz. if you use the bike regularly you can stretch the interval between belt changes, they are at a much higher risk of cracking and hardening if they are left unused but tensioned, particularly over a single pulley as the 2 valve motors are. personally i don't risk it, for what a rebuild is costing these days the belts cost nothing in comparison. even if you don't plan on replacing them it's a good idea to remove and inspect them as well as checking the rollers for bearing wear.


paul.