Quote from: NAKID on November 21, 2008, 06:02:57 PM
It really doesn't matter what Ducati says. The Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act basically states that the manufacturer must prove that the modification caused the defect...

So, keep your stock parts, and put them back on before a warranty service.  Did that with my old Camaro.  Put the stock chip back in, took off the pulleys, and pulled the headers.  Hey, it was that or potentially pay $2,000 for a new top end. 

Quote from: dutchy73 on November 14, 2008, 04:54:06 PM
But you do need to get the TPS adjusted.

What is this?

Quote from: Clickjack on November 21, 2008, 11:47:51 PM
What is this?

Throttle Position Sensor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throttle_position_sensor

(I had to look it up too.)

"I'm not trying to bust on Termi, or the people who have them. I'm merely trying to understand why people are so enthusiastic about 'em."

Wow, just discovered this thread and it already has 3 pages of replies.

You say you like the look of the stock cans better.  Really, that's all that matters; What you like.  If the performance of you choice matches what you like, then it's all good.

I'm not trying to bust on the 696 crowd, but I don't like anything about the way the 696s look, but the Termis almost make the exhaust look okay.  I have no idea about the peformance charactaristics of the exhaust choices.  When someone says they don't like a choice I've made regarding my bike I say, "I don't ride it for your benefit."

(Now, of course it IS cool when lots o' peeps drool over your bike and say cool things.)

On my S4RS, the Termis look AND perform so much better than stock; so I'm happy.

Really, find what look you like that will give you the performance you desire (performance first though, in my book).

NorDog

Quote from: NAKID on November 21, 2008, 06:02:57 PM
It really doesn't matter what Ducati says. The Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act basically states that the manufacturer must prove that the modification caused the defect...

Not trying to be argumentative, it's just that I work in a dealership and I've seen it happen.  Not with pipes yet, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I've seen Ducati say, "Sorry, that aftermarket part voided your warranty." The customer got stuck with a HUGE repair bill.  If you're willing to chance it, that's fine.  I'm just trying to give a word to the wise.

Quote from: Smitch on November 22, 2008, 11:36:32 AM
Not trying to be argumentative, it's just that I work in a dealership and I've seen it happen.  Not with pipes yet, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I've seen Ducati say, "Sorry, that aftermarket part voided your warranty." The customer got stuck with a HUGE repair bill.  If you're willing to chance it, that's fine.  I'm just trying to give a word to the wise.

I think there are a lot of dealers quick to tell a customer that because it's easier than getting the local Ducati rep to take a look at it. Also, there are too many customers out there willing to take the dealer's word for it...

Quote from: NAKID on November 22, 2008, 07:41:50 PM
I think there are a lot of dealers quick to tell a customer that because it's easier than getting the local Ducati rep to take a look at it. Also, there are too many customers out there willing to take the dealer's word for it...

No doubt that probably happens.  Not all dealers are created equal. In the instance I mentioned above, our service manager went to bat FOR the customer, and Ducati's service tech said no way.  Added insult to injury when the customer then (understandably upset) threatened to sue US and Ducati.  He backed down from those initial threats.  Bottom line, these are expensive toys, not Toyota's or Kia's.  Treat them with care, and the people you rely on to fix them (if you rely on others to fix them!).

Recently my S4RS needed to have the TPS and some trigger thingie in the software readjusted.  My bike had about 2500 miles on it with the most recent 1900 having the full DP Termi kit.  Prior to taking the bike in to be checked out, one of my instructors here at MMI who has previously serviced Ducatis professionally said that the fix (whatever it turned out to be) should not cost me a thing.

The local service manager wanted to charge me about $46.00 after the adjustments were complete.  I mentioned that it should be a warrantee item since the system was a DP product and dealer installed.  He said I needed to take it to the dealership that did the install for that (about 1200 miles away), and that he needed to pay his tech.  I was disappointed, but didn't want to make a stink over $46.00 with an otherwise great dealership.  I paid of course.  After riding it I was so happy with the results it was hard to be upset.

Personally, I think the adjustments should have been at no cost to me.  But it was no big deal ultimately.

However, if a rod had shot through the cases, or some other such disaster, and a dealership claimed that the exhaust voided my warrantee I would have fought it all the way of course.

A case of choosing one's fights wisely I guess.

You shouldn't have had to pay for it. That's one of those things they have to do as a "Ducati Authorized Dealer". All they had to do was submit warranty paperwork to Ducati to get re-imbursed for the work. He probably just didn't want to wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz0mv0XYZa0

Sorry about the wind.  I was solely responsible for the exhaust noise! 

Quote from: superjohn on November 10, 2008, 04:41:01 PM
Termi's are cool and sound good, but I went with Quat-D. If I were on a budget, I'd just core the stock cans.

Definitely get a 14T front sprocket. It's the best mod for the money.

Just picked up my 09 M696 today! Already had the 14T. Are you running the Quat-D's on the stock ECU? I was told by the dealer that running any aftermarket pipe without the race (Termi) ECU will cause it to run dangerously lean. Can someone please verify or deny this?.

Quote from: MadDaddy on January 15, 2009, 10:21:52 PM
Just picked up my 09 M696 today! Already had the 14T. Are you running the Quat-D's on the stock ECU? I was told by the dealer that running any aftermarket pipe without the race (Termi) ECU will cause it to run dangerously lean. Can someone please verify or deny this?.

that's true with any full system, i believe.  anything that messes with the air/fuel ratio will need proper tuning.  but you don't need a termi ecu, you can use power commanders as well.

Quote from: hyphen on January 15, 2009, 10:40:12 PM
that's true with any full system, i believe.  anything that messes with the air/fuel ratio will need proper tuning.  but you don't need a termi ecu, you can use power commanders as well.

Thanks for the reply. 3 questions:
1. Would a Ducati dealer be willing to install a power commander system, instead of the Termi system?
2. Would installing a power commander system void my warranty?
3. Does anyone have the Quat-D system on their bike that could tell me: do you have a power commander and did it void your warranty, and are you happy with them?

Quote from: MadDaddy on January 15, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
Thanks for the reply. 3 questions:
1. Would a Ducati dealer be willing to install a power commander system, instead of the Termi system?
2. Would installing a power commander system void my warranty?
3. Does anyone have the Quat-D system on their bike that could tell me: do you have a power commander and did it void your warranty, and are you happy with them?

1. possibly.
2. possibly.
3. I have arrows, not quat-d 

my bike was acting wonky after the fueling mods, and the dealer didn't seem at all bothered that I had unapproved aftermarket parts. they checked everything out like it was a normal bike and didn't charge me for the time it was in.

YMMV

Quote from: teddy037.2 on January 15, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
1. possibly.
2. possibly.
3. I have arrows, not quat-d 

my bike was acting wonky after the fueling mods, and the dealer didn't seem at all bothered that I had unapproved aftermarket parts. they checked everything out like it was a normal bike and didn't charge me for the time it was in.

YMMV

Thanks Teddy, good to know.