So just found out the s4rs has been discontinued from my local dealer since it can no longer meet European EPA standards to take affect in 09.  Now that I can not upgrade me current ride to a 4V what will be the 4V replacement.  Any takers please inform me since I am not informed on whats next.  I did see the 696 in person and though it would be a bike I would consider I feel like I would just crush the bike since I am about 6'0" 230 lbs plus I am looking for one or two more ponies.

lata,

Panthro

I call BS. It maybe being discontinued, but I don't think entirely

They may come out with a new model that can integrate the new requirements better, but to say, no more 4V because of emissions is not true.

That means everything but the 2V monster, hyper and multi would go.

Ducati has four valve engines that will pass emissions (848, 1098) -  if four valve Monsters go away it won't be emissions that killed them! I can see them phasing that particular engine out and taking that model with it though.

Not for nothing, but last I heard it was easier to get a four valve watercooled engine to pass emissions than a two valve air cooled design...

I agree with DesmoDog and Printman. There will be a replacement, hopefully it won't be based on the 696. 

Emissions are easier to control on water cooled multi valve engines, that is why air cooled Beetles and Porches faded away.  Just time for a replacement.

not sure if I agree with the 4 valve w/c motor being easier to meet emission standards theory.  I think it may have more to do with sound levels emitted from air cooled engines vs w/c motors that will affect their future.  As far as the current S4RS going away goes, that 999 motor has it's 5 year certification coming to an end and it would make no sense to have it re certified on a global scale to run it for one or two more years..  A new naked 1098 motored Ducati would be entertaining 

With regards the emissions on air cooled versus water cooled, the tolerances on air cooled motors have to be greater the water cooled thus more nasty emissions to try to control as there are greater ring cylinder blowby.
Ducati are not the only manufacturer to suffer as there are rumours that BMW are designing a replacement for their boxer air cooled motor which has just as much heritage as the air cooled desmo L twin from Ducati.

Quote from: panthro on May 21, 2008, 01:53:26 PM
So just found out the s4rs, s4r,  based on the old 999 engine has been discontinued from my local dealer since it can no longer meet European EPA standards to take affect in 09.  Now that I can not upgrade me current ride to a 4V what will be the 4V replacement.  Any takers please inform me since I am not informed on whats next.  I did see the 696 in person and though it would be a bike I would consider I feel like I would just crush the bike since I am about 6'0" 230 lbs plus I am looking for one or two more ponies.

lata,

Panthro

Fixed sorry for the miss understanding.  I should have been a little more clear

-panthro

Quote from: Ivan Vukchevic on May 22, 2008, 03:56:32 AM
Off topic;

Few months ago I heard an information that ducati is discontinuing M695 because of the 696. And that the production would stop Jan. 08.

My dealer told me that there is absolutely no stopping and that 695 is in full production and sale until 2010…

As you said â€" speculations….

Yup heard the same thing from a local dealer here in boston also his complaint about ducati now is that they have no real beginner bike.  The 620 he said was the ducati beginner of choice now with that being gone most people that are looking to buy a ducati either get  a 4v or the 1000 sales for him on the 695 and 696 are not great but are doing ok.

695 is an '08 model, 696 is '09.  A monster '848' would great. Equivalent power to the s4rs tc (4 more horses, 6 less torque) with less displacement, less weight and a newer generation powerplant. They should be able to put it together as economically as they have the 848 and 696 now. Say $10,500 as long as I'm hypothetically building I'll price it too.

I'll take 2 

Quote from: OddBall on May 22, 2008, 07:27:30 AM
695 is an '08 model, 696 is '09.  A monster '848' would great. Equivalent power to the s4rs tc (4 more horses, 6 less torque) with less displacement, less weight and a newer generation powerplant. They should be able to put it together as economically as they have the 848 and 696 now. Say $10,500 as long as I'm hypothetically building I'll price it too.

The 848 monster would be a great monster but I still want my dry clutch.  So with that said if they did decide to do one with a dry clutch what would that do for the current 848 sbk line add another  1 grand to the price which would make it only a few grand less then the current 1098.  So in theory it would be better just to create a 1098 munster and get over with.

-panthro.

PS Its bad enough that the current 848 falls into a price point pretty close to the current stock 1098 and for what you get with the 1098 I would pass on a 848 any day of the week.

I never trust dealerships. I've heard one too many Suzuki dealers claim a replacement for the TL1000 was imminent - after the SV1000 came out. It's been imminent for, oh, about 5 years now.

Quote from: printman on May 21, 2008, 02:42:20 PM
I call BS. It maybe being discontinued, but I don't think entirely

They may come out with a new model that can integrate the new requirements better, but to say, no more 4V because of emissions is not true.

That means everything but the 2V monster, hyper and multi would go.

Quote from: panthro on May 22, 2008, 11:45:53 AM
The 848 monster would be a great monster but I still want my dry clutch. 

+1.....It's one of the main reasons (if not the main resaon) I thought Ducatis were so cool when I was younger (before I could ever fathom the possibility of one day owning one... )

-I think The ideal lineup in the future would be:

-Bring back the 620 (for smaller or new riders)
-696
-848-based
-1098-based
-And the air-cooled 800+1000, for those who are air-cooled purists.......

I wish they had put the 104mm bore and cases from the 999R and the stroke from the 996 together along with the 40mm valves from the current s4rs (999s) heads and a Termi kit. It would be a stump puller at 1121cc and would leave everything in it's class for dead. 

Just have to settle of a 1098 based nekid I guess.

LA