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Jonesin' for a Streetfighter

Started by Michael Moore, May 22, 2009, 02:12:55 PM

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mostrobelle

You just posted that to get all the leghumpers in here, didntchya?  You sexy thang, you.   [laugh]
94,500 miles...05/22/15

IdZer0

Quote from: Michael Moore on May 28, 2009, 09:13:14 AM
In fact if it was 15# lighter with an 848 engine that would be even better in my book.

I'm kinda hoping Ducati will actually build it.
2007 Monster 695, DP ECU, Low mount Alu Termignonis
replaced by 2011 848 EVO

Desmostro

#17
Quote from: IdZer0 on May 28, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
I'm kinda hoping Ducati will actually build it.

+11   There's a lot of room for that sort of thing IMHO. There is this ridiculous race to °° (infinite) horsepower when the speed limit is still 55 and you're never going to do +300MPH on Skaggs with air filled tires.* wtf? I get the race heritage, but there's even a 250 class in motoGP. younowatI'msayin' ?   [coffee]






*'The Bugatti at +250MPH, will burn up a set of tires in 15 minutes, which is ok because it goes through a tank of gas in 12 minutes.'
Sure I'll take the jet fighter sure. Why not. But the normal day when you don't want to go on a 12 minute $1500. ride, 60MPH is not bad in the twisties.

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Spidey

Quote from: Desmostro on May 28, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
+11   There's a lot of room for that sort of thing IMHO. There is this ridiculous race to °° (infinite) horsepower when the speed limit is still 55 and you're never going to do +300MPH on Skaggs with air filled tires.* wtf? I get the race heritage, but there's even a 250 class in motoGP. younowatI'msayin' ?   [coffee]

There may be "room for it" in your head, but it doesn't make financial sense.  Ducati is trying to move away from a production line that spreads them too thin across too many models.  An 848 streetfighter would cannabilize Monster 1100 and 1098 streetfighter sales.  It won't cost much less to produce than a 1098 streetrighter but will have to priced for thousands less.  And it won't weigh much less.  Compare the 848 to the 1098.  The weigh difference is pretty small. 
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Desmostro

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Quote from: Spidey on May 28, 2009, 03:21:52 PM
There may be "room for it" in your head, but it doesn't make financial sense.  Ducati is trying to move away from a production line that spreads them too thin across too many models.  An 848 streetfighter would cannabilize Monster 1100 and 1098 streetfighter sales.  It won't cost much less to produce than a 1098 streetrighter but will have to priced for thousands less.  And it won't weigh much less.  Compare the 848 to the 1098.  The weigh difference is pretty small. 

That's why I wrote "IMHO."

However, last I checked the 848 was outselling the 1098. In fact when I was at DNA yesterday I got this:

"The analysis of sales by family highlights the very strong performance of the Superbike family, which
jumped by 32% with respect to the comparative period in the prior year to the success of the new 848.

Sales of Monster family increased by 7% with respect to the prior year, mainly due to introduction of the
new Monster 696 to the market."

Which seems to contradict what you are saying. Did I understand that wrong? Or are you saying it's not the size it's the number of bikes within a category?

I agree with you that the weight savings isn't really much as the 1098 Streetfighter is in fact is about the same weight as the 848 and the 1198S SBK's.  The weight savings from the 1098 SBK came from the D16's tech vacuum casting and larger Dia. thinner frame tubes the 848 and 1198 have.

@ DNA:

If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room

Spidey

Quote from: Desmostro on May 28, 2009, 05:15:05 PM

Which seems to contradict what you are saying. Did I understand that wrong? Or are you saying it's not the size it's the number of bikes within a category?

It's whether the bikes overlap with one another.  There are two SBKS, a big literbike and a middle weight. 

There are three [or four] nakeds -- an intro naked (in fact, the intro Duc), the big boy of the air-cooled monster line and the giant, rip roaring Streetfighter.  [I'm not sure how the Hyper fits in with the monster line-up, but it sells well, as does the monster 1100, so who knows?]  You're talking about adding a fifth bike into this category, one that falls somewhere around the Hyper and the Monster 1100 in terms of the riders to whom it'd appeal.   It doesn't make any sense, though it would be a cool-as-shit bike.

For other naked bikes, you have to look at the retro bikes, which reach a separate market from the monsters.  Then there's the Multi.  Totally different market.
Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.

Michael Moore

All I'm wondering is why we aren't drinking a beer already... [roll]
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Spidey

I'm leavin' in like 10 mins.  Where the f are you, MM?
Occasionally AFM #702  My stuff:  The M1000SS, a mashed r6, Vino 125, the Blonde, some rugrats, yuppie cage, child molester van, bourbon.

Michael Moore

Quote from: Spidey on May 28, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
I'm leavin' in like 10 mins.  Where the f are you, MM?

At the stupid G-D computer.  Leavin' now...
La nuova moto e il vecchio motociclista :: 2000 Monster 900 (il vecchio) :: 2008 Vespa GTS (doppio) :: 2010 Streetfighter S ("il PastaBusa")


MendoDave


Quote from: mostrobelle on May 28, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
You just posted that to get all the leghumpers in here, didntchya?  You sexy thang, you.   [laugh]

Rrrraaawww Shes right! The front of the bike does look better than the rear.  [laugh]








Quote from: Michael Moore on May 28, 2009, 01:23:01 PM
It's not a moped, it's a scooter fer crissakes.



22 BHP of pure, stupid fun.  ;D

sally101

Went to Hattar to look at the one they had.. Not there.. Where was it? I guess someone wrecked it on a test ride!  [bang]
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07 S4Rs in "Candy Cane"

Michael Moore

Quote from: sally101 on June 01, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Went to Hattar to look at the one they had.. Not there.. Where was it? I guess someone wrecked it on a test ride!  [bang]

Doh! Bill said they were contractually obligated to have a demo bike. Yeah, some knob probably whacked open the throttle to see if it'd wheelie.
La nuova moto e il vecchio motociclista :: 2000 Monster 900 (il vecchio) :: 2008 Vespa GTS (doppio) :: 2010 Streetfighter S ("il PastaBusa")


mostrobelle

Seriously?  Wow.  I've done some dumb things, but wadding a demo bike hopefully won't be one of 'em. [laugh]
94,500 miles...05/22/15

sally101

This is all third hand, but as the story goes the rider had a Bemmer and was used to his cushy German ABS system.. He proceeded to grab a handful of Brembo monobloc and hilarity ensued..

This is always the first thing I warn people about if I let them ride my S4Rs. That's a lot more front brake than most have ever experienced.. 
Sally101 <----- Still Not a Chick
07 S4Rs in "Candy Cane"

Drunken Monkey

Quote from: sally101 on June 04, 2009, 09:11:24 AM
This is always the first thing I warn people about if I let them ride my S4Rs. That's a lot more front brake than most have ever experienced.. 

They just need to tape down 3 out of the 4 right hand fingers before they let a Beemer rider out on one  ;D

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