You read too much into things.

I didn't question his integrity.

I question his actions in this situation.

If you have sources better/more accurate than what is available to the rest of us, share them. Maybe I'll change my position. If you're basing your ire as a Casey fan then you're entitled to your opinion. That's all any of this is you know...opinion.

Like the old saying goes...

We all have one, and they all stink.

However, as an administrator of this forum that you seem to disdain. If you don't enjoy what you read here, don't. No one is forcing you to read it.

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html

Ok, who gave fffracing the crazy stick?!?

Quote from: fffracing on September 27, 2009, 04:54:27 AM
Unless you can ride a MotoGP bike fast, your comments are just the ramblings of a pretender.

So . . . . can you ride a MotoGP bike fast?  Cuz if not . . . .   Besides, comments about Casey's wife are fair game.  She's hawt.   

Quote from: gm2 on September 27, 2009, 09:10:18 AM
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/09/26/marlboro_boss_stoner_should_apologize.html

Let's play hangman.  I'll give you the first and last letter.   d_ _ _ y 

Quote from: fffracing on September 27, 2009, 05:42:28 AM
Also, I guess you can comment on his position as an "employee" but I doubt you can question weather he is a man.

I'll do it just for kicks, and its whether, not weather.

He's a young man at best.  Casey is still a kid, and his handling of the whole situation shows his inexperience with business decisions.  He's fast and a good racer, but that doesn't make him a man.  There are lots of fast kids in 125's.  They are not men and most of them probably handle media and sponsorship obligations better than Stoner.

One particular definition of 'man' is: a male having qualities considered typical of men or appropriately masculine.  I don't think he's grown into that definition yet and is a little whiney to be called a man.  I think Marlboro is right to want an apology.  They pay him to fulfill all the obligations of his contract, not just the parts he enjoys. 

i think asking for an apology is a little preemptive cause he didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person.

asking for an apology puts stoner in a bad spot... does he now follow orders like a good boy and apologize on his return
or does he act like a man and say... "i don't need to be TOLD to apologize publicly. Those who were affected by my absence know i care and want to do my best, to those professionals i apologized in person." and then piss off his sponsors

if Marbolo hadn't said that, then he could have publicly apologized and it would have meant something.

Quote from: Raux on September 27, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
i think asking for an apology is a little preemptive cause he didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person.

preemptive? didn't get a chance? how many months has casey had to communicate with the team in his absence?

Quote from: derby on September 28, 2009, 06:47:20 AM
preemptive? didn't get a chance? how many months has casey had to communicate with the team in his absence?

WHEN he comes back it's the appropriate time. cause if they dump him before he comes back then make the beast with two backs'em

no, when he left was the appropriate time.  the instant he started missing, or even thought he might start missing, any of his duties as a factory rider.

and, "didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person" -- where do you think he's been rehabbing, the ISS?

Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
no, when he left was the appropriate time.  the instant he started missing, or even thought he might start missing, any of his duties as a factory rider. and, "didnt get a chance to even come back and say sorry in person" -- where do you think he's been rehabbing, the ISS?

IF he is suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as stated... the more rest and less stress of dealing with the factory teams and the sponsors the faster he will feel better or never as CFS can be debillitating.
I don't think they even knew what he was dealing with when he left. so to say.. sorry i'll be out for ... time and not know anything...

I'm sorry, i'm with the idea that supporting the rider in sickness and health is important for a team. not throwing him under a bus when you feel a worded apology was due when the guy didn't even know what was wrong with him. didn't he throw up in his helmet at one race... there is some serious shit going on with him

Quote from: Raux on September 28, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
IF he is suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as stated... the more rest and less stress of dealing with the factory teams and the sponsors the faster he will feel better or never as CFS can be debillitating.
I don't think they even knew what he was dealing with when he left. so to say.. sorry i'll be out for ... time and not know anything...

I'm sorry, i'm with the idea that supporting the rider in sickness and health is important for a team. not throwing him under a bus when you feel a worded apology was due when the guy didn't even know what was wrong with him. didn't he throw up in his helmet at one race... there is some serious shit going on with him

Quote from: gm2 on August 21, 2009, 08:09:29 AM
the problem, so to speak, is -- and this is not at all unusual when it comes to stoner and the media -- lack of information.  with lack of information, the media will do what it does best.  and even level-headed folks like schwantz will at least acknowledge the possibility that whatever's going on is a little dubious.

yeah, i saw him in catalunya, unable to even get off the bike.  and he was only slightly better on subsequent rounds.  there's something wrong with the dude and it's not a broken ankle.  maybe it's some blood thing and he'll be out for good.  there's a million possibilities.

but if you're a GP racer, you're in the hunt for the championship, and you've got Philip Morris money behind you, at least issue a press release.  be humble.  say directly, i'm sorry, i have to do this, there's no other choice, i'll be back as soon as possible, i'm afraid i'm about to die, thank you so much to my team and sponsors, etc.  don't be coy about it.  ...or else they may give your bike away a week later.

Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2009, 10:09:24 AM

got it. i just hope he can com eback and be competative.

Quote from: Raux on September 28, 2009, 10:22:53 AM
got it. i just hope he can com eback and be competative.

I think Casey will take at least one win, possibly two, to end the season.  My money would be on Philip Island and Valencia as his most probable victory chances.  To his credit, he's also either masterfully given himself an excuse for not performing, or backed himself into a corner depending on how you look at it.  If he heads to the top and falls off ( or struggles completely ), then he's "rusty" or "still recovering."  If he wins, then he can say he was right and he'll definately shove that down our throat for the next few months. 

I think Casey returns to week in and out podium form and throws barbs at the media for the remainder of the season.  He hates media anyway, so what better way to "get back" at the media than dicing with Jorge/Vale/Dani.

I'm looking forward to next year tbh.  I want to see all these guys give us 18 races and hope they start the year healthy/stay healthy.  Toss in Spies ( maybe ) and Simoncelli (great showing in sbk yesterday ) and we could have a solid spectacle next year.

if he comes back this weekend.  so far all the 'certainty' that he'll be there sounds pretty.. uncertain.

once again, if he was just deign to communicate directly with the world, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2009, 11:52:19 AM
if he comes back this weekend.  so far all the 'certainty' that he'll be there sounds pretty.. uncertain.

once again, if he was just deign to communicate directly with the world, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Sounds pretty certain as he is back in Europe.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2009/September/sep2809-casey-stoner-to-ride-in-estoril/?&R=EPI-118826