Okay,

we threadjacked the HM 796 thread with this but here's a brief summary.

the 696 and 1100 have the same mounting point for their rear shocks but they have different ride heights. one of the reasons (still check if there are others) is the clevis at the top of the shock. it is the part that holds the shock on the frame.

item 3 in the following pictures. on the left is the 696 and the right is the 1100
(thanks to Dave R for posting this and clarifying for us)



if you look closely there is a slightly larger shoulder on the 1100's clevis. Also for certain the two subframes and shocks (on the base 1100) are the same parts.

i also cross referenced the forks. and the stanchion tubes are not the same part number (we already know the internals are different since the 696 has only one damper). Someone is going to have to measure how much tube is left above the triple to see how much height you can add to the front (mine's apart)

so as you can see... raising the 696 may be a lot easier then we thought (but i had suspected this before)

Quote from: Raux on October 05, 2009, 09:11:53 PM......the 696 and 1100 have the same mounting point for their rear shocks but they have different ride heights. one of the reasons (still check if there are others) is the clevis at the top of the shock. it is the part that holds the shock on the frame.  Also for certain the two subframes and shocks (on the base 1100) are the same parts.

i also cross referenced the forks. and the stanchion tubes are not the same part number (we already know the internals are different since the 696 has only one damper). Someone is going to have to measure how much tube is left above the triple to see how much height you can add to the front (mine's apart)

Damn - just fitted a seedymoto top triple to my M1100 so now I cant measure the amount of stanchion tube which is above the stock triple (the speedomoto triple is almost flush with tops of forks).

But maybe these pics of my 696 will help....
 

Looks like no more than 20mm to me at the outer edge - and remember that the stock triple is contoured so that the inner part of the tubes sit higher in the triple, meaning that theres less room to drop the forks before you sink below the top of the triple...... if that makes any sense.  So my guess is that you'll get not much more than 10mm out of that.  And you'll also alter the steering geometry.... 

M1100 (with Showas) has 130mm of front wheel travel vs M696 with 120mm - so its likely the forks are longer on M1100 than M696.   Rear wheel travel on M1100 is the same as M696 @ 148mm....... Sooooo... since we know that two subframes and shocks (on the base 1100) are the same parts and that the rear wheel travel is also identical how does the M1100 get to ride higher (apart from your already identified item 3)?  Its gotta be the shocker lower mounting point at the SSSA....ie the distance between the SSSA mounting point (for the same shock to the same subframe) relative to the rear wheel axle must be greater on M1100 than M696.  And unless I've missed something here, thats gonna be tough to modify on your 696.  Although I never say never until I've tried.... gone to bed at 2.15am... & then tried again.... lol... 

[update] I'm a make the beast with two backswit.  If you want to raise the rear end, then why couldnt you simply fit a different.. longer rear shock? [end update]

Keep us posted on you progress and good luck with it 

well i think raising the rear and raising the front is now possible with the stock 696.

the 1100 clevis and pushing the forks down a bit. it won't be  much but it is a change.

 When I installed my Ohlins DU 737 shock, I compared them side by side to the old shock (sorry didn't measure them) and they looked the same length.
Comparing the two pics, to me the only difference seems to be a spacer on the neck of the 1100 upper shock mount. I remember when changing my shock there was about half inch neck and lots of threaded area. maybe the 1100 part is simply longer with a spacer?
I also measured the fork tube space above the top clamp, at the outer edge and there was only 7/8",but like ungeheuer posted, the top clamp is curved with only 1/8" at the inner fork tube showing. 

Looks like the part sells for $26.89 and we have two on hand..

Quote from: Dave R on October 06, 2009, 11:34:17 AM
Looks like the part sells for $26.89 and we have two on hand..

1 on hand 

Quote from: Raux on October 06, 2009, 11:47:01 AM

1 on hand 

This will be interesting to watch.... keeps us posted

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 06, 2009, 03:18:19 AM

But maybe these pics of my 696 will help....
 

Hello everybody!

Hi, I'm Felisuco696 from Spain. I don't speak english... only with google traslator. I registered in the forum to ask you please tell me which make and model of mirrors and fists bring your bike. It is as if the mirrors are integrated into a fist instead of coupled to the handlebars ... I do not know if I explained well. Thank you.

Quote from: Felisuco696 on October 06, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
Hello everybody!

Hi, I'm Felisuco696 from Spain. I don't speak english... only with google traslator. I registered in the forum to ask you please tell me which make and model of mirrors and fists bring your bike. It is as if the mirrors are integrated into a fist instead of coupled to the handlebars ... I do not know if I explained well. Thank you.

Hello F

The way mirrors mount on a Monster is the same as most other bikes - one bolt into the bracket on top of the brake master cylinder/reservoir.

Popular choices are various Rizoma models and CRG bar end mirrors.

http://www.constructorsrg.com/mirrors/index.html

http://www.rizoma.com/Prodotti/ProdottiUniversal.cfm?ID_categoria=1&IDSez=1

If you search this forum you will have a lot of information about mirrors

transferred from the Hyper 796 thread... 

Quote from: Raux on October 06, 2009, 10:02:25 PM
the angle that the new monster shock is mounted helps as the angle of the shock to the moving swingarm does change. therefore changing the geometry.

the sportclassic are almost in line with the arc of the suspension travel therefore continuous rate.

this is correct..  the wheel can only move straight up and down. The shock mounted at the angle like the 696/1100 allows it to get  progressively stiffer as the angle of the shock becomes more horizontal.

Quote from: Felisuco696 on October 06, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
Hello everybody!

Hi, I'm Felisuco696 from Spain. I don't speak english... only with google traslator. I registered in the forum to ask you please tell me which make and model of mirrors and fists bring your bike. It is as if the mirrors are integrated into a fist instead of coupled to the handlebars ... I do not know if I explained well. Thank you.

IT Site
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Quote from: Dave R on October 06, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
IT Site

[url]http://www.rizoma.com/IT/default.cfm]http://www.rizoma.com/IT/default.cfm]
[url]http://www.rizoma.com/IT/default.cfm[/url]

...Spanish... Italian....  su exactamente el mismo 

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 06, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
...Spanish... Italian....  su exactamente el mismo 

it was late!!

Thank you very much for your answers!  

The truth is that there seemed fists rizoma ... believed they were others.

Thank you very much friends.

Incidentally, if you want to see another photo, stop by our Spanish forum.

http://www.monster696.es/index.php.

Greetings!

Quote from: Felisuco696 on October 08, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Thank you very much for your answers!  

The truth is that there seemed fists rizoma ... believed they were others.

Thank you very much friends.

Incidentally, if you want to see another photo, stop by our Spanish forum.

http://www.monster696.es/index.php.

Greetings!

hey PJFA is on there