sorry im only new here but you cant have both wolds as tyre maker would have you believe these sport touring tyre are touring tyres not sports tyres as well try and push these tyres and you land on your ass real quick and the rosso,s grip better in the wet than pilot powers 

not arguing bikeless, just saying the Angels are better by far than anything i've seen in a sport touring/touring tyre, they have quite soft edges in a similar way to some of the dual compound tyres.. very impressive so far..

Quote from: ozducati on January 29, 2010, 10:41:15 PM
not arguing bikeless, just saying the Angels are better by far than anything i've seen in a sport touring/touring tyre, they have quite soft edges in a similar way to some of the dual compound tyres.. very impressive so far..

thats true but i havent seen any on the track and there profile is still touring and yes im talking about personal experience there not ment to cranked over hard and get them right on the limit and give them a fist full and see what happens like i said you cant have it both ways 

ok guys n gals not sure how helpful this is but I thought I would post a couple of pics of my tyres after just over 4000kms on them - the rear is up for replacement shortly.  I don't profess to be a hard or fast rider, and my suspension setup is pretty well stock, but it may prove some use to see what the profile and wear is like.  These are Dunlop Qualifiers.  They are a sport tyre and I believe they get heat in to them reasonably quickly.  I didn't go for the Qualifier R on the front as I don't think I have the skills to take advantage of the "pointer" profile on the front.  Also just to give you some further background on the type of riding it is mainly in the Adelaide Hills (Uraidla, Carey Gully, Balhannah, Woodside, Cuddle Creek, Lobethal, Lenswood - that sort of area) with a few "straight liner" trips down the freeway from Mt Barker to Adelaide CBD.

Yup!,

       That looks about right (wear wise) for those tyres ridden on the road, if you are happy with them get another set when it comes due.





                        Mmick

Quote from: monstermick58 on February 05, 2010, 06:14:01 PM
Yup!,

       That looks about right (wear wise) for those tyres ridden on the road, if you are happy with them get another set when it comes due.





                        Mmick

Thanks for the feedback Mmick - yeah other than the km's I am pretty happy with the feedback of these tyres - forgot to mention I run about 32 psi in them too.

cheers

Jason

Quote from: Mr.S2R on February 05, 2010, 06:21:26 PM
Thanks for the feedback Mmick - yeah other than the km's I am pretty happy with the feedback of these tyres - forgot to mention I run about 32 psi in them too.

cheers

Jason

the only thing i would do is up the pressure a tad the photo of the back is what called pinching it doesent really matter it just will wear your tyre out prematurely and the bike will be hard to turn in it does this because the tyre will have a bigger foot print when on the side of the tyre and its not suposed to and when the pressure that low it will also cause the bike to wallow and one more thing get rid of those chicken strips 

I'm up to 8000k on the PR2's and like em a lot, they still have a heap of life in them. But I'm not like bazz, I'm not pushing the tyre at all, I have about 3mm of chicken on em mate and I don't scrape anything so obviously for my level they are a great tyre. Couldn't tell the difference in grip from the PP (2ct) to the PR2 (2ct).

I reckon tyre technology means that you have to be VERY good to start really using your tyre and think that a vast majority of riders are no where near the tyre's limit.

Quote from: bikeless on February 05, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
the only thing i would do is up the pressure a tad the photo of the back is what called pinching

bikeless excuse my ignorance but can you further explain?  you talk about the feathering on the outer edges?  and yeah thanks for the advice I might just up the psi 

Quote from: Spider on February 06, 2010, 12:47:27 AM
I reckon tyre technology means that you have to be VERY good to start really using your tyre and think that a vast majority of riders are no where near the tyre's limit.

yeah I agree on that, thus the reason I am looking to change   

Quote from: Mr.S2R on February 06, 2010, 01:27:19 AM
bikeless excuse my ignorance but can you further explain?  you talk about the feathering on the outer edges?  and yeah thanks for the advice I might just up the psi  [thumbsup]yeah I agree on that, thus the reason I am looking to change   

you have to play around with the pressure but road tyres are not racing tyres and they rely on more pressure to hold there shape and by the look of your rear its too low ,when you are coming out of a corner but still laid over and under throttle it causes the tyre deform loose the right shape the harder you ride the more you need your tyre too hold its shape when you get every thing right you should be able to leave rubber out of the turns without any wobbles and if the tyre doing its job it will hold on and if you go too far it will be controlled slide a lot of fun , the qualifeiers are a good tyre but dont try it on a sports touring tyre they are to soft on the edges and will let go, have fun cheers bazz

Quote from: bikeless on February 06, 2010, 03:20:16 AM
you have to play around with the pressure but road tyres are not racing tyres and they rely on more pressure to hold there shape and by the look of your rear its too low ,when you are coming out of a corner but still laid over and under throttle it causes the tyre deform loose the right shape the harder you ride the more you need your tyre too hold its shape when you get every thing right you should be able to leave rubber out of the turns without any wobbles and if the tyre doing its job it will hold on and if you go too far it will be controlled slide a lot of fun , the qualifeiers are a good tyre but dont try it on a sports touring tyre they are to soft on the edges and will let go, have fun cheers bazz

thanks for the info dude much appreciated!! 

Bazz, does that still apply regarding shape and letting go if he still has angle (by unused portion on side) to go, wouldn't it slip and move but perhaps not let go, surely a tyre can deform but still provide grip dependent on the angle?

Quote from: Spider on February 06, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Bazz, does that still apply regarding shape and letting go if he still has angle (by unused portion on side) to go, wouldn't it slip and move but perhaps not let go, surely a tyre can deform but still provide grip dependent on the angle?

yeah I was wondering that too - I am sure at time I have felt the bike "squirm" a little, but still manage to pull through the corners.  Oh yeah I am not a knee scraper, but have had the pegs touch once or twice! 

All very helpful info and questions! 

got some pirelli rosso tyres and love them, doing a great job on the tassie roads

Quote from: Spider on February 06, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Bazz, does that still apply regarding shape and letting go if he still has angle (by unused portion on side) to go, wouldn't it slip and move but perhaps not let go, surely a tyre can deform but still provide grip dependent on the angle?

yes big fella thats the hole problem under normal pressure the tyre deforms and flaterns to give you the biggest foot print but if its aloowed to deform too much you can cause the tyre flop over on the side wall or the tyre  just moves around alot and wobbles through the corner giving false feed back