The reason you hide a gun's serial # is the same reason you might want to block out your bike's tag number in a picture. It's a mean world out there people.

Sweet looking Ace for sure. Looks really really clean! Hope you got the box too with matching sn?? I have a few Colt Woodsmans and Match Targets. LOVE those Match Targets. Still have the one my Dad gave me when I was a kid, maybe 11-12. Great to travel back in time every time I take that MT out of the safe.

Does anyone here have a m1 socom II?  That rifle has been catching my eye for some time....me want!

Quote from: ducpainter on March 07, 2010, 11:42:09 AM
I absolutely understand that.

It was a joke...which is why I used an emoticon.

Sorry if you thought I meant anything else.

Get off my lawn!!  <shakes cane>



 

Quote from: RED on February 04, 2010, 11:18:15 AM
Not that i'm prying or anything but I started to check around the lowest price Saiga-12 around here on the net was anywhere from $1150 to $2400.                       

No. You are looking in the wrong place.  Go to Mississippi Auto Arms (no affiliation, just passing along a good price) and look up an IZ-109.  It comes with a "sporter" stock, a 5 round magazine and has a 19" barrel with a threaded end so that it can accept a choke.

You will need to convert it or at least make it 922r compliant before you attach any us made part to it  A stock Saiga shotgun has 14 parts on it not including the magazine, magazines add an additional 3 parts.  A soon as you change one of those parts (including the magazine) with a US made part, it becomes subject to 922r, which states you can have a maximum of 10 foreign parts on it, so keep your parts count in mind.

As with anything, do check your local state and city laws before purchasing or attempting a conversion.  You DO NOT want to break any laws when it comes to firearms.  I also assume no responsibility should you attempt to perform such conversion, do so at your own risk.

DP, if my post is inappropriate, please just delete and shoot me a warning. I know you said no stating laws, but I feel that this info will help awareness.

Quote from: Goggles Pizano on March 07, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
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DP, if my post is inappropriate, please just delete and shoot me a warning. I know you said no stating laws, but I feel that this info will help awareness.

Just so people understand.

Stating the law is OK. They are facts.

Discussing law, be it gun law or any other is where the problem arises. If you disagree, or have a question do it via pm.

Posting your opinion of a law is discussion for our purposes.

carry on

Quote from: bulldogs2k on March 07, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
Does anyone here have a m1 socom II?  That rifle has been catching my eye for some time....me want!

i assume you mean an M1A SOCOM.  I have an original M14 Bush-style rifle.  Springfield before it was Springfield Inc.  Short barrel, folding stock.  Very nasty gun. 

The later Springfield Inc SOCOM rifles are based on the Bush rifle: i.e. short barrel and unique muzzle device.  The forward glass is a new feature, I am jealous.

Well, there is the SOCOM variant, and then the SOCOM II.  The latter of which has a four sided rail for all the tacticool tid-bits.

Quote from: DRKWNG on March 07, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
Well, there is the SOCOM variant, and then the SOCOM II.  The latter of which has a four sided rail for all the tacticool tid-bits.

i.e. BULLSHIT

if you need more than a M14, then a flashlight gizmo isn't gonna help.

unless you can mount an M203 on there as well.

From here:

QuoteIt undertook a project to make its traditional M1A both dramatically shorter and handier for CQB-type scenarios. The result is the M1A SOCOM.

Somehow I can't quit sync up the ideas of a full-power cartridge and "close quarters battle."

Didn't we figure out about fifty years ago that an intermediate cartridge was both easier to handle, and equally effective in such situations?

I suppose if you've got a lot of call for shooting at targets that are behind heavy doors, or corrugated steel siding, or what-have-you. *shrugs*

*says the guy who is lusting powerfully after as FAL.*

Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:05:13 PM
From here:
Somehow I can't quit sync up the ideas of a full-power cartridge and "close quarters battle."

Didn't we figure out about fifty years ago that an intermediate cartridge was both easier to handle, and equally effective in such situations?

I suppose if you've got a lot of call for shooting at targets that are behind heavy doors, or corrugated steel siding, or what-have-you. *shrugs*

*says the guy who is lusting powerfully after as FAL.*

You don't shoot through walls in CQB. You go inside and shoot them. We still mostly use green tip, but some 160 grain.

Quote from: kopfjäger on March 07, 2010, 06:22:44 PM
You don't shoot through walls in CQB. You go inside and shoot them. We still mostly use green tip, but some 160 grain.

So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?

I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.

Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?

I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.

Well come on over with me to my next trip to the sandbox, and you make you decision then.

Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less

I'm sorry. I don't get to decide what range he is at. If you could give me a schematic on this, it could come in handy. I mean from behind the keyboard you should be able to figure this out for me.

Quote from: zarn02 on March 07, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
So back to the other point: Why use a cartridge designed for lethality at many hundreds of yards instead of something that both kicks less and is generally agreed upon to be equally effective at making people stop living?

I like .30/7.62 as much as the next guy, but from here to the other side of the room I'm not sure one needs the extra horsepower. I suspect that Most Of The Time the x39 will knock a fellow out of the fight as well as the x51.

That's why I am a huge fan of the 12 gauge tactical/self-defense shotgun. I LOVE .308 and .223 rilfes! I have many FALs, HK91s, M1A's and a trunk load of AR-15 variants. All awesome! But don't bring your pistol to my shotgun fight at my house! For that matter I'd worry about be out gunned even with your semi auto rifle. Sort of...  Scatterguns kick ass if deployed correctly in home/business defense with the right buckshot or slug load. Again, I love my auto loading rifles and pistols but when s#@t hits the fan I'm grabbing my Benelli M1 Super 90, Rem 870 or 1187, or Mossberg 500. Just saying... The "social shotgun" works very well and doesn't draw all the negative attention that "black rifles" do. Heck, an over and under bird gun with buckshot pretty much covers all the bases without even looking scary!

Carry on...

Quote from: fastwin on March 07, 2010, 07:46:14 PM
That's why I am a huge fan of the 12 gauge tactical/self-defense shotgun. I LOVE .308 and .223 rilfes! I have many FALs, HK91s, M1A's and a trunk load of AR-15 variants. All awesome! But don't bring your pistol to my shotgun fight at my house! For that matter I'd worry about be out gunned even with your semi auto rifle. Sort of...   Scatterguns kick ass if deployed correctly in home/business defense with the right buckshot or slug load. Again, I love my auto loading rifles and pistols but when s#@t hits the fan I'm grabbing my Benelli M1 Super 90, Rem 870 or 1187, or Mossberg 500. Just saying... The "social shotgun" works very well and doesn't draw all the negative attention that "black rifles" do. Heck, an over and under bird gun with buckshot pretty much covers all the bases without even looking scary!

Carry on...

We don't use shotguns in CQB in the Military. Period. Only as a breaching tool.