Do keep in mind an "official fix", if due to either due to mapping or another emissions related problem, needs to comply with EPA testing and compliance.  This can take a while.

Dave R, have you sold or serviced any 696 Monsters with the problem?

any updates?

I have been doing some experimentation this weekend. In general I found the same thing, just not the over heating with the complete kit without db killers. The bike ran poorly with the full kit installed. I pulled the plugs and it was way lean. What I dont get here is what is the purpose of the new module if the kit was designed for race only, open baffle with high volume air filter? The reason I ask is because it appears the original module is richer than the race version. In my experience all fuel injected bikes today are running too lean in the midrange for emission purposes. This is confusing that when you add a complete factory engineered kit it even runs leaner. It ended up the only acceptable way to get the bike to work decently, besides totally stock , was too put the stock filter with stock module and run the Termis with the db killers installed. I will wait until it gets sorted out before installing the other stuff. The bike runs great this way, is a little to quite, but appears my only option.
I ask this question again as nobody answered it before. Did the guys who got the complete kit get the dealer to install it and fine tune it or did you do like me and install it yourself?

Quote from: gearhead on June 08, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
I have been doing some experimentation this weekend. In general I found the same thing, just not the over heating with the complete kit without db killers. The bike ran poorly with the full kit installed. I pulled the plugs and it was way lean. What I dont get here is what is the purpose of the new module if the kit was designed for race only, open baffle with high volume air filter? The reason I ask is because it appears the original module is richer than the race version. In my experience all fuel injected bikes today are running too lean in the midrange for emission purposes. This is confusing that when you add a complete factory engineered kit it even runs leaner. It ended up the only acceptable way to get the bike to work decently, besides totally stock , was too put the stock filter with stock module and run the Termis with the db killers installed. I will wait until it gets sorted out before installing the other stuff. The bike runs great this way, is a little to quite, but appears my only option.
I ask this question again as nobody answered it before. Did the guys who got the complete kit get the dealer to install it and fine tune it or did you do like me and install it yourself?

No FHE, but most likely TPS and CO would need to be set on the DP computer.  It the computer does not know where the throttle is one of the most important inputs is missing and in the past DP computers required CO trim also.

Just FYI, I used to have a 695. I battled with DNA for over 3 months about the temp./brown goo problem. Their "official" response was to replace the heads that were browned. Replacing them did not fix the temperature issue. DNAs official response to the temperature issue is that its meant to run that hot. They recommended I buy the whole termi kit and ecu thing to make my bike run cooler if I was worried about constant 300 degree temps.

So I sold the 695 and bought an s2r800.

Back on topic, good luck getting your 696s fixed.

 How does one fix what isn't broken? The stock bike works like a charm. My kit I bought hasn't been trimmed yet by the dealer is all. Like I said, it works withe the CF cans and db killer for now.

Quote from: gearhead on June 08, 2008, 08:19:29 PM
How does one fix what isn't broken? The stock bike works like a charm. My kit I bought hasn't been trimmed yet by the dealer is all. Like I said, it works withe the CF cans and db killer for now.

If you're referring to what I said, I wasn't speaking about your bike. I was speaking towards those owners of 696s that are having issues. 

 Yes, I was refering to what you had said. I,m not aware of any issues the stock 696 has that are similar to the ones you descibed with your stock 695 though. Ironically, the 696 works great stock and has issues with the full race Termi installed where you say the stock 695 ran crap until you installed the kit on it.

Why is it that most ECU and EFI problems seem to affectb Ducatis in the USA and much less so in Europe and rest of the world?

I believe that the problem is caused by Gasohol as my S4 runs perfectly on regular fuel but very poorly on Gasohol E10. Problems outlined by S2r and 695 forum members have been seen here when using Gasohol but dissapear when regular gasoline is used.
E5 and E10 are in general use all over USA but not at all common in Europe , Middle East and most of Asia.  here in Thailand there is a big push to gasohol but even with compatible motors it  works poorly causing weak running ,power losses and higher fuel use. I try to use Regular fuel always.

SO WHAT FUEL ARE YOU USING?     

Ducati techs at the Bolongna factory told me that all Ducatis lose 5-10%power on gasohol and it makes running weak and glitchy.

What the hell is gasohol?

Also, are most Ducati's supposed to take premium fuel or regular?

Quote from: gearhead on June 09, 2008, 03:28:00 AM
Yes, I was refering to what you had said. I,m not aware of any issues the stock 696 has that are similar to the ones you descibed with your stock 695 though. Ironically, the 696 works great stock and has issues with the full race Termi installed where you say the stock 695 ran crap until you installed the kit on it.

I'm not saying the 696 has the same problems the 695s were having. My point was that people with problems might have a helluva time getting DNA to recognize it. Or they'll have to spend a shitload of money on a termi kit for the bike to get it to run right.

To all those having issues (obviously you aren't gearhead and congrats on that), good luck.

Quote from: jerryz on June 09, 2008, 03:57:36 AM
Why is it that most ECU and EFI problems seem to affectb Ducatis in the USA and much less so in Europe and rest of the world?

I believe that the problem is caused by Gasohol as my S4 runs perfectly on regular fuel but very poorly on Gasohol E10. Problems outlined by S2r and 695 forum members have been seen here when using Gasohol but dissapear when regular gasoline is used.
E5 and E10 are in general use all over USA but not at all common in Europe , Middle East and most of Asia.  here in Thailand there is a big push to gasohol but even with compatible motors it  works poorly causing weak running ,power losses and higher fuel use. I try to use Regular fuel always.

SO WHAT FUEL ARE YOU USING? 

You are correct about Gasohol, except we call it oxygenated "clean fuel".  Besides the loss of power the 0₂ sensor sniffs the extra oxygen, throwing mixture off and the fuel doesn't want to atomize a as well as proper gasoline.  Many of us in the US have no choice and must use it.   

Ducati techs at the Bolongna factory told me that all Ducatis lose 5-10%power on gasohol and it makes running weak and glitchy.

You are correct about Gasohol, except we call it oxygenated "clean fuel".  Besides the loss of power the 0₂ sensor sniffs the extra oxygen, throwing mixture off and the fuel doesn't want to atomize a as well as proper gasoline.  Many of us in the US have no choice and must use it

So does that mean that this is a fuel problem, and not so much a fuel system problem.  If I pump premium here in the states, am I getting this "gasohol"?

Quote from: nkryptit on June 09, 2008, 06:52:53 AM
If I pump premium here in the states, am I getting this "gasohol"?

Exactly what I want to know.  93 Octane Premium.  And what about Shell's 93 "V-Power"?

The mixture should be listed at the pump. Most pumps in GA use 10%.

A lot of info here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_the_United_States#Current_trends