Quote from: Monster Dave on April 27, 2010, 10:54:55 AM
Now hold on just a second here. Everything that has been discussed here has merit - and while I've not discounted the benefits of lane splitting while voicing the saftey concerns, I'm starting to feel backed into a corner for expressing my opinion.

WTF.

Hoyden - your responses read as arrogant, pompous, and judgmental. Get off my back and stop making flash judgement about me and assumptions about my experiences. Who do you think you are calling me both fearful and an inexperienced driver - you don't even know me.

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...you know, forget it. I posted up this morning to share my opinion; not to waste my time arguing with a know-it-all.



It's no wonder the AZ section only has 5 people who post in it. You guys sure know how to create a hostile environment.


Have a nice day.

hmmm.....I did not see that coming. I wasn't aware that was the direction this thread was going. I certainly hope I didn't present myself in such a manner, nor did I catch such a tone in hoyden's comments, but....that's how things too often go when we try to "discuss" on the internet. The tone with which one writes is often not the tone with which another reads and then the wheels come off the wagon of a friendly conversation.

Say la vee....tale e vita...

Jim

MostroNero brings up a good point, and thats the fact that that there are all types of personalities out there.  That affects how we all get along, and has a lot to do with how things go in traffic.  Sucks to see personality conflicts in traffic...and online.

Look - I'm sorry that what I said was so harsh - but I'm not sorry for saying it. But both of her responses were tossing so called facts and references in my face and telling me that I'm a fearful and inexperienced driver - she both judged and insulted me as well as made assumptions about my character....all of which was evoked from me first saying that I was on the fence about the issue, and that I didn't want to see us (riders) get hurt by being put into a dangerous situation.

WTF???


Quite frankly I was very insulted.

Wow Dave. Such vitriol.

A) So you dislike facts and references and would rather just everyone just spit out unsubstantiated opinions with nothing to back up their ideas? You make statements as fact and then get upset when someone refutes them with actual facts.
My "so-called facts" were from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the well-known, well-respected Hurt Report.

B) I never called you inexperienced. I asked if you had every driven in Chicago. I did infer that you might not have much experience riding in other cities than Phoenix (and in elsewhere in Az since you are presently in Tuscon) and I'm sorry if that was incorrect.

C) I said that it seemed that your opinions came from fear. Scared of people not learning a new thing quick enough. Scared that people won't learn "proper driving habits" before getting harmed. Scared of aggressive Phoenix drivers. Scared that lane splitting is dangerous. Scared that we're putting ourselves in 'dangerous situations'.

D) You asked me a direct question and then got mad when I replied with an answer you didn't like and that questioned your statements.

Seems to me that being given some actual facts on lane splitting would help alleviate some of your concerns.
Instead you rebuff research and fact and resort to name calling.

Look, as I read your comments you came across pompous, arrogant, and like I said, a "know-it-all". If you didn't mean that then fine, lets just move on - I'm done debating this otherwise pointless topic.

I'm generally a really nice guy - easy to get along with, and I don't pick fights. So think about that when considering why I reacted so negatively - that's uncharacteristic of me to be sure.

Quote from: Dietrich on April 27, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
MostroNero brings up a good point, and thats the fact that that there are all types of personalities out there.  That affects how we all get along, and has a lot to do with how things go in traffic.  Sucks to see personality conflicts in traffic...and online.

And Arizona is uncommonly mixed in that most people who live here grew up somewhere else. And then when you throw in the snowbirds -- forget it.

So when you have a new traffic law (bringing us back to the topic) I could see how it will take some time for the general public of Arizona to get used to the idea.

I imagine, however, that there will be some people who just refuse to accept it or refuse to change their way of thinking. Or, like I experienced recently, there are some who are so old and clueless that they'll be driving on the wrong side of the road right towards you. 

Either way, regardless of the statistics and studies on lane splitting, I hope no one gets hurt and it does nothing but add a safety layer to us careful riders.

[moto]

Quote from: Michael on April 27, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
Either way, regardless of the statistics and studies on lane splitting, I hope no one gets hurt and it does nothing but add a safety layer to us careful riders.
[moto]

La la la laaaaaane splitin' ...  [moto]

Quote from: Dietrich on April 27, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
... the fact that that there are all types of personalities out there. 

No...  There are only 2 types.  Those who agree with my point of view and assholes.

Anyone?

It PASSED and is on it's way to the Governor's Office....  

Quote from: MostroNero on April 30, 2010, 07:51:29 AM
It PASSED and is on it's way to the Governor's Office....  

Awesome. She'll sign anything. 

Quote from: pennyrobber on April 30, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Awesome. She'll sign anything. 

HA! Zing!

Quote from: pennyrobber on April 30, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Awesome. She'll sign anything. 

Of course, isn't she coming up for re-election?

Quote from: MostroNero on April 30, 2010, 07:51:29 AM
It PASSED and is on it's way to the Governor's Office....  

YES!!  OK..so how long before a bill becomes a law?!   

Schoolhouse Rock- How a Bill Becomes a Law