if i were to go buy a new 848 or 1100s i would put a full system on it. if i put termi's on then i would go with a dp ecu anything else though i think a nemesis is the best in what i have read. i think there are enough people around here that are smart enough to help you with a nemesis (stuart, richd, louis, to name a few). not to mention the help from where you buy it and the numerous folks with superbikes that use them.

i find it funny how donnie at ducpond has no probs with pc's and other shops do. i can understand if you don't like them because you have trouble getting what you want out of them then just say it. when alan had his issues they fixed him right up w/o selling him a dp ecu. what kind of warranty do you get for the money spent on a dp ecu vs. the warranty and cost of a pc.

you have to understand air/fuel mixture and how it affects your bike.  you can't just run something richer because you don't like the way it runs lean. there is a fine line you have to walk. we all look to get that 13.4/1. when you do it  doesn't mean it's perfect. you then have to go check the idle to make sure you are still around 1100. so then you adjust the throttle bodies. and repeat the steps until you find what you want. it's a long and tedious process. it doesn't matter what exhaust or ecu you have. the key is to find the proper air/fuel. i spent two weeks working on fine tuning mine. ride to work, make an adjustment. ride home, make an adjustment. i finally have mine where i am happy with it. i still get some popping but it is few and far between and only when i am below 3000 rpm's.

btw josh if you like my exhaust come on the h/c trip and hear alan's!   

Quote from: calscrazy on April 30, 2010, 04:18:41 PM
btw josh if you like my exhaust come on the h/c trip and hear alan's!   

I love the different exhausts systems (beit Arrows, Akrapovics, Zards, Termignoni, and of course custom)i they all have something to like.  When it comes down to YOUR $$, it just depends on what facet you like better.  I think the point that Josh is putting out there is the complete package that you can get with the Termis.  You can of course build your own full system, but in the end you probably won't save much if any money.  

As I said before, my situation for the 848 the Termi kit was a no brainer and made life easier to get what I wanted.

Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on April 30, 2010, 11:24:30 AM
so, if i reflashed my stock ECU, would AMS still tune it?  i would tend to think not...  so at that point are you just basically reflashing it and having it sent back with a "pretty good" map based on what pipes/air box setup you have?  if that's the case, it might be worth it to just get the DP ecu from a place like this:  http://www.gothamcycles.com/servlet/the-4034/DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-VIRGIN/Detail  and i would think AMS would be okay with tuning it.  i may still check into the reflash though; if it even gets me most of the way there i would be happy with that i suppose.  what does dyno tuning even cost now at AMS?

I wouldn't think once on the dyno they would be able to tell that you had a flashed ECU, unless the look at the PN on the ECU itself.  Dyno runs at AMS are at the shop rate/hour.  The first time I had the 848 dyno-tuned it was 3 hours of work, but keep in mind that at that point (Feb '08, 3 months after the release of the bike) they probably hadn't tuned one yet with Full Termi.

yep - my point is $, power, convenience. the DP wins.


I've heard nice stuff of the Nemesis, but if I was going aftermarket, I kind of lean towards Microtec. Too bad I don't have the resources to get both and do a side-by-side comparison

Quote from: a m on April 29, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
addressing SOMEONE'S exhaust concerns...

Quit eating beans!!! 

so i wonder if garbonzo beans sound better than pinto beans?

add a nervous moment and here it is
FARTING IDOL

Oh my God! Where did you find that vid? My 13 year old will love seeing that!

YouTube

well, i will be trying something out to help with my lean condition...  the bike should be back up by next weekend.  after which, though, i'll need the assistance of someone with a VDST unit.

for Josh
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38395.0

already saw it. there are a few decals vendors that have those in color if you are interested.

I know.  I ordered two sets.  One set for me and the other for you to adorn your helmet and..........your truck.

i do love me some stickers