Quote from: NeufUnSix on June 11, 2008, 07:29:01 AM
I hope we don't see a rise in red-light running accidents as a result - who is at fault in that case? The guy who ran the red, legally, or the guy who was going through the green, legally?

I used to just hop off the bike and run over to press the pedestrian crossing button. Here in Montreal we don't have those stupid trip lights, thank jebus.

Quote from: Triple J on June 11, 2008, 08:58:04 AM
The guy who ran the red is at fault.  It's only legal if the path is clear.

As mentioned, there are rules as to when you can "ignore" the red light.  The laws are written in such a way so that you are "protected" from getting a ticket for it but if you get in a wreck while doing it, you are at fault.

Quote from: ODrides on June 11, 2008, 08:20:57 AMWhen I was in California I noticed drivers on the freeways hardly ever changed lanes.  I think that's out of fear of hitting/respect for the bikes that could be zipping past them.

I don't know which California you went to, but it doesn't resemble the one I live in...

Quote from: erkishhorde on June 11, 2008, 08:21:31 AM
I didn't see CA mentioned as allowing the redlight running but I think they do.

Nope. Car, motorcycle, or bicycle, you're risking getting popped for that kind of maneuver. The advised alternative is to make a right turn and then do a U-turn. 

Quote from: x136 on June 11, 2008, 09:24:54 AM
Nope. Car, motorcycle, or bicycle, you're risking getting popped for that kind of maneuver. The advised alternative is to make a right turn and then do a U-turn. 

The problem is if you only discover that you don't set off the light after you've gotten into the front of the left-turn lane.  Then it's a bit hairy to dart across to make a right turn.

I would normally wait a couple of cycles and then go, but a few weeks ago was at one in Santa Cruz, a left turn off of Hwy 1, which was such a busy intersection that there was no chance for me to make it through.  I just had to sit and wait for a car to come up behind me.

Quote from: ODrides on June 11, 2008, 08:20:57 AMWhen I was in California I noticed drivers on the freeways hardly ever changed lanes.  I think that's out of fear of hitting/respect for the bikes that could be zipping past them.  Put that on the books on the east coast and the cagers would be making martyrs out of us for the first few years   

California drivers change lanes more than almost anywhere else I've been, I think.  Don't forget that passing on the right is legal here, so you get slow drivers in any lane, and people zooming around them on either side.

It seems that the vast majority of CA drivers are clueless that there may be bikes splitting , there are a few who look out for you and move over to make room (mostly fellow riders I suspect) , and then there are a very few that try to block your way out of spite.

Now, in Europe, it seems that everyone there knows to look out for bikes/scooters, splitting feels safer there.

QuoteMotorcyclist Splatt Ratt of Palm Springs, Calif.

If my name were Splatt, I wouldn't be riding a motorcycle.

My observations about CA traffic were made during a few days around LA.  Apparently not a very scientific sample size.  Comments withdrawn from the record

There are some intersections where I feel a lot more safe running a red light to make a left turn, rather than sitting in the middle of a highway, at a complete stop, waiting for the light to change with cars zooming by you at highway speeds going both directions. 

I've heard that putting your kickstand down on the traffic sensor will trip it quicker than any of the magnet gizmos will.  I haven't had much of a chance to test it as I don't have much of a problem tripping lights.

i've also had luck with getting off the bike, running over and pushing the cross walk button.  Of course my kickstand is probably down on the sensor at that point too.  I just look cool running around the intersection too 

Quote from: eVilTWIN on June 11, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
I've heard that putting your kickstand down on the traffic sensor will trip it quicker than any of the magnet gizmos will. 

+1 that works pretty well for me, plus it confuses the car behind you 

Quote from: Ducatiloo on June 11, 2008, 12:48:01 PM
+1 that works pretty well for me, plus it confuses the car behind you 

So you put it on the seam in the road or in the middle of the patch?

Quote from: eVilTWIN on June 11, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
i've also had luck with getting off the bike, running over and pushing the cross walk button.  Of course my kickstand is probably down on the sensor at that point too.  I just look cool running around the intersection too 

I was told by an Oregon cycle cop... that this was illegal... no clue what the ticket would be for... but it is something similar to having the whole party in a car get out and run around the car, and hopping back in, during a traffic stop. But I believe in the wait two cycles and then gun it.

Quote from: erkishhorde on June 11, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
So you put it on the seam in the road or in the middle of the patch?

It's the seam that triggers it. The seam is the only part that will read your bike, so if you are not over a seam... but in the middle of the patch... you are pretty much invisible.

Quote from: ryandalling on June 11, 2008, 01:13:54 PM
It's the seam that triggers it. The seam is the only part that will read your bike, so if you are not over a seam... but in the middle of the patch... you are pretty much invisible.

Not true.

Quote from: erkishhorde on June 11, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
So you put it on the seam in the road or in the middle of the patch?

If there is a square patch I put it down in the center of the patch.

Quote from: eVilTWIN on June 11, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
I've heard that putting your kickstand down on the traffic sensor will trip it quicker than any of the magnet gizmos will.  I haven't had much of a chance to test it as I don't have much of a problem tripping lights.

i've also had luck with getting off the bike, running over and pushing the cross walk button.  Of course my kickstand is probably down on the sensor at that point too.  I just look cool running around the intersection too 

It works. I started doing that after I got hassled by a cop In Corte Madera one night about 2AM. Stopped for the light and there was No one anywhere. after waiting for a few minutes and looking around i went. Then the lights came on so I stopped and he gave me a bunch of S*&$ and told me he'd write me up if I did it again etc...

So after that I tried the kickstand thing on the seam and it works.