Here are a couple pics of CRA Novice racers this year. These are on flat corners. It's become a game for people to drag elbows now.
The first pic is of a kid who was a student of mine last year...now he's kicking butt racing. 

how does that even work? i guess tis 99% throttle control?

Quote from: He Man on October 01, 2010, 10:30:45 PM
how does that even work? i guess tis 99% throttle control?

how does what work?

Quote from: He Man on October 01, 2010, 10:30:45 PM
how does that even work? i guess tis 99% throttle control?

If you're asking about the pics that I posted, it's all about tire grip. In the first pic, they are carrying right at 100 mph. through that turn on MWs. (I've looked at my speedo on my cbr and it indicated higher, so the actual should be approx. 100) The big bikes carry even more. You are hard on the gas because this turn goes into the straight and you want to get a strong drive out.  This is incredibly grippy pavement here and people are getting rediculous lean angles in this section of the track. My teammate crashed his SV in this corner last weekend because he finally pushed the traction boundary too far...probably due to a tire that was losing grip, and he was starting to get obscene with his leaning.

But to answer your question...it's not a wide corner and you have to apex it just right or you will run off the outside. Radius of the turn = mph, and you use lean angle to set your radius. In a turn like this, you need a tight radius because of the turn being narrow, and at the same time, you are going fast to get the drive onto the straight. So, you have to lean far to tighten that radius. This is why you lean over so far in this turn. How you attain so much lean and speed in this turn is due to race tires and nice new grippy pavement. I love this turn.

The second pic is a fairly slow carousel that is gigantic. It's not high speed because at the end it dumps into a chicane so you actually scrub off speed in the last part of this turn. Again, it's really grippy pavement and here you are going maybe 60? (I've never looked at a speedo here) Lots of people are now dragging elbow through here and it's totally flat. You just go to a maintenance throttle and hold your rpms, hang off, and lean hard. Everyone is doing it just for fun.

I'll throw another pic up just for fun. Same corner but you should see the speed that this guy takes this corner. He set the new lap record on the day this pic was taken. He passed me going into this turn like I was standing still.  (for reference, I'm not exactly slow here) His name is Tony Kasper, former Canadian Superbike pro.

Quote from: fasterblkduc on October 02, 2010, 07:43:28 AM
If you're asking about the pics that I posted, it's all about tire grip.

...and confidence in the front end.   

Quote from: derby on October 02, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
...and confidence in the front end.   

yup 



Ok, I lied, I just looked for pics of me in the same turn and found one that I'll post. (I think I'll buy this pic now.) This is about my average lean angle in this turn. I've never pushed it that hard like Jonny in pic 1.

Quote from: fasterblkduc on October 02, 2010, 07:43:28 AM
and he was starting to get obscene with his leaning.

I don't know if it's possible to get more obscene than the pics you've posted. What's next helmet pucks?

Amazing shots!   

Quote from: duc750 on October 02, 2010, 12:32:35 PM

I don't know if it's possible to get more obscene than the pics you've posted. What's next helmet pucks?
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Close 

(derby from another thread)

Damn! 

My GF might shit down her leg if I tried that with her.

I dragged an elbow in a turn once, then the alarm went off and I had to go to work. 

Quote from: kopfjäger on October 02, 2010, 04:55:23 PM
I dragged an elbow in a turn once, then the alarm went off and I had to go to work. 

Me too...

then I saw the bike sliding the other way and realized I'd crashed.

  to the previous two posts.