Quote from: Triple J on January 03, 2011, 08:26:32 AM
...and the V-strom is a GS knock-off, made for adventure touring with a 19" front wheel. The original MTS was an upright sportbike.

gotcha

But Ducati created the superbike. (Please say yes since I live in my pretty world where Ducati is the only manufacturer allowed to come up with good ideas)

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on January 02, 2011, 11:28:50 PM
Here's the thing: The BKing (sounds like a dollar menu item, BTW) and the VMAX are both heavy-ass bikes.

The Diavel, not so much.

Ducati might be on to something. If not, it's not like they invested a lot of R&D on this puppy.

this is where I'm at as well, I think power cruiser style bikes are cool, but never really wanted one due to the poor handling. If the Diavel handles decently than it's going to be one hell of a power cruiser. In fact, I think it may very well end up creating a new class of motorcycle. Similar to the way sport touring models bridged the gap between pure sport bikes and standard touring bikes, the Diavel may well bridge the gap between cruiser and standard sport, with a bike that has the look and oomph of a power cruiser but the handling of sport standard. I dunno, perhaps I'm being overly optimistic.

One thing I will say, I hated the initial photos of the Diavel, but thought it looked much, much better in person at Toronto motorcycle show. In fact I would go so far as to say it actually looked pretty sharp.

Quote from: pitbull on January 03, 2011, 01:45:51 PM
If the Diavel handles decently than it's going to be one hell of a power cruiser. In fact, I think it may very well end up creating a new class of motorcycle.

the power cruiser market already exists.  They haven't created anything new with this bike.  Everyone needs to realize that a cruiser is meant for.............cruising...........and if it has power to boot then great.  Sometimes we forget what the bike is made to do.  There's no way this will ever be anything remotely close to a Monster or 1198 period.  90% of the people who live on this board hate cruisers and good for them, that's why there's sport bikes.  I personally like both and own both for the days I feel like clogging up roads and blowing my lines. 

You can always take your 999S up to the Dragon, and have Yellow Wolf film you from his Gold Wing. 


Ducati 999s followed/filmed by Yellow Wolf -Deals Gap


deals gap on a goldwing/gl1800 by yellow wolf dragons tail

he is the "notable" exception 

Quote from: muskrat on January 03, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
he is the "notable" exception 

His buddy filming him from his Wing, as well. 

   let me guess.........YOU 

by the way, just saw the price on a Termi system for this bike at $3,200 

Quote from: muskrat on January 03, 2011, 08:10:43 PM
  let me guess.........YOU 

Heck no, I'd be upside down in a ditch. 

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 03, 2011, 08:36:22 PM
Heck no, I'd be upside down in a ditch. 

Harley Wreck on the Tail of the Dragon

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on January 02, 2011, 11:28:50 PM

Ducati might be on to something. If not, it's not like they invested a lot of R&D on this puppy.

how do you come up with that ??

yes ducati makes 2 wheeled bikes and they already had the motor , but you think they didnt invest a lot of R&D

when was the last time HD spent some money on R&D  ?

Quote from: J5 on January 03, 2011, 11:28:56 PM

how do you come up with that ??

yes ducati makes 2 wheeled bikes and they already had the motor , but you think they didnt invest a lot of R&D

when was the last time HD spent some money on R&D  ?

R&D money is motors and engine tuning. Trust me, CAD work and the plastic / carbon fiber molds / frame design that went into the Diavel didn't cost shit in comparison to what went into the engine design.

And I'm sure Harley paid Porsche some money for that "high output" engine 

Quote from: J5 on January 03, 2011, 11:28:56 PM

when was the last time HD spent some money on R&D  ?

Actually, they do a lot of R&D. Just more conservatively than others. Despite everything looking the same forever, the engines are vastly improved internally.

And there are some surprising things coming, or so I'm told....

Quote from: Speedbag on January 04, 2011, 04:26:01 AM
Actually, they do a lot of R&D. Just more conservatively than others. Despite everything looking the same forever, the engines are vastly improved internally.

And there are some surprising things coming, or so I'm told....

it's true

i've heard the new pushrods are chamfered at 11 deg instead of 15 deg.