Quote from: kopfjäger on January 21, 2011, 08:12:13 PM
Wrong, crossfit workouts are far more effective than just use for the games, suck it up and train the system for a year...a year, then report back. Most folks don't have the balls.

Yeah....no



if that were so, all the top power athletes in the world would be using crossfit and with the exception of a handful of mma guys here an there and a few other delusional athletes, nobody.............let me repeat..........virtually no top atheltes are using the system.

There's a reason for that............it's random, unsystematic and simply does a number of things decently and absolutely nothing really, really well.

other than get athletes hurt

"Athletes" will always get injured. So you believe one system is the cause of that? I have been a CrossFit instructor for 4 years, I have never injured an "Athlete"

The problem in any training system is lack of knowledge by said "Instructor" Injury is part of sport.

I think that it's important to define some of the terms that you are all using in order to avoid devaluing the opinions that each of you share.

How do you define an athlete in the context of this conversation? Is it someone who workout above a certain level or is it a professional sports player?

How do you measure and define the 'effective' nature of cross training? ie caloric burn, cardiovascular improvement, etc...

What are the causes of injury that are being cited as hurting athletes? Injury is a hard point to argue unless substantiated by specific examples.

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 23, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
The problem in any training system is lack of knowledge by said "Instructor" Injury is part of sport.

And to add to that - I have been teach dance/aerobics since 2004; I can repeat the same instructions in every class and even come down off the stage and correct someone's movements and they will continue to do it incorrectly. 

The Instructor needs to know what they are doing and the student needs to be willing to shut up and listen.

Quote from: dolci on January 24, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
The Instructor needs to know what they are doing and the student needs to be willing to shut up and listen.

 

After another hiatus from this thread a quick update...

I almost have my complete 2011 schedule figured out and my training towards 70.3 is starting to roll.  A few more weeks into my prep stage and then I start my base stages.

I have 3 (5k/duathlon/10k) events in February to work towards and use as benchmarks for my A/B races.  First B race (13.1) is in the end of March.

To join in the crossfit convo, I was thinking of joining a crossfit gym that has an endurance emphasis to it to enhance my training outside of run/bike/swim. 

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 23, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
"Athletes" will always get injured. So you believe one system is the cause of that? I have been a CrossFit instructor for 4 years, I have never injured an "Athlete"

The problem in any training system is lack of knowledge by said "Instructor" Injury is part of sport.

you sure?...............considering many crossfit workouts are an introduction to shoulder impingement hell, I would not be surprised if many of the people you train are suffering over use or nagging injuries caused by the improper form inherent in many crossfit exercises.

It's a big part of the reason the military is now forbidding cf as part of their PT program due to the huge number of injuries.


I see it with the guys on our fire department who have been doing cf for a number of years now......most of them are suffering injuries that were preventable with porper forum.   Most of them have stepped away fro the  CF koolaid.

FWIW, I don't  hate CF and if a lot of the stupid ideas and exercises are left out, it can be a good workout for general fitness and keeping people interested. It can accomplish at lot of fitness goals well, just to a very limited degree.

and yes, I've done many crossfit workouts for fun and many of them were indeed diffuicult, however, lets be clear........difficult doesn't mean great results. 

Quote from: Monster Dave on January 24, 2011, 06:17:13 AM
I think that it's important to define some of the terms that you are all using in order to avoid devaluing the opinions that each of you share.

How do you define an athlete in the context of this conversation? Is it someone who workout above a certain level or is it a professional sports player?

How do you measure and define the 'effective' nature of cross training? ie caloric burn, cardiovascular improvement, etc...

What are the causes of injury that are being cited as hurting athletes? Injury is a hard point to argue unless substantiated by specific examples.

I'm gonna say high level athlete........... a professional or   olympic caliber athlete. If CF was a workout that truly was the best for making atheles stronger, faster, and more powerful, most high caliber athletes would be using it. Outside of a handful of MMA guys, it's just not happening.

that doesn't mean it can't be a decent workout for the average joe, just not a very efficient one if particular goals are intended

Pitbul, the key is proper form. You can't just jump into power or Olympic lifts without proper training.

Most folks try and jump right in to CF workouts, when the program clearly states not to do this.

People will not even take the time to read all of this info on the website. Much less reading "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe.

Quote from: kopfjäger on January 24, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
Pitbul, the key is proper form. You can't just jump into power or Olympic lifts without proper training.

Most folks try and jump right in to CF workouts, when the program clearly states not to do this.

People will not even take the time to read all of this info on the website. Much less reading "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe.

no disagreement which is exactly my issue with CF. Many of the olympic lifts and balistic movements are done with high reps, often to failure which makes maintaining proper form impossible even among those who are experts at the technique. There is a reason real olympic lifters don't do high rep training and rarely approaches failure.........because it leads to technical breakdown and injury.



Rip's 'starting strength' is indeed an excellent book .

Quote from: pitbull on January 24, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
no disagreement which is exactly my issue with CF. Many of the olympic lifts and balistic movements are done with high reps, often to failure which makes maintaining proper form impossible even among those who are experts at the technique. There is a reason real olympic lifters don't do high rep training and rarely approaches failure.........because it leads to technical breakdown and injury.
Rip's 'starting strength' is indeed an excellent book .

It's important to remember that people train by certain methods in order to meet specific goals that they have for themselves. Just as dieting must be customized to the person, so must training programs. What works for me won't work for you and what works for you won't work for the next person (in the same way - meaning you can't carpet bomb 'athelets' with cross fit training and expect them to profit from it without the proper program guidance).

The bottom line is that there are LOTS of ways to get stronger, faster, and leaner. It all boils down to the individual and his/her preferences along with thier level of commitment to said program.  

I walked up one extra flight of stairs today.  and had one less vodka tonic after dinner.

Quote from: Statler on January 24, 2011, 05:09:48 PM
I walked up one extra flight of stairs today.  and had one less vodka tonic after dinner.

Pace yourself.  You don't want to get a cramp. 

Quote from: Statler on January 24, 2011, 05:09:48 PM
I walked up one extra flight of stairs today.  and had one less vodka tonic after dinner.

Wrong again pitbull, O litters do multiple lifts with light weight to perfect form.