Quote from: kopfjäger on January 25, 2011, 09:50:33 PM
they are wrong as two boys make the beast with two backsing.

Only wrong to hetro guys.   

I've looked at some cross fit stuff. Some of it looks good some of it i wouldnt want to try. Ill take what I can get (especially the calisthenic workouts)....


So back onto working out ( I havent asked my instructor about what muscle groups to work out because he just says kick the shit out of the bag)

But what muscle groups would be best worked out for kicks, and building up the obliques to resist kicks. I've added side crunches added with leg raises, medicine balls, overhanging leg raises so far. I dont like side raises...just not into them. I only have bands at home, but since the semester is starting soon ill have gym access in about 2 weeks.

I've always found that core strength really makes a difference in martial arts.

But if you want to build brute force, Zian says "kick the tree"

We would use the wood post in the basement  holding up the building wrapped in carpet...  fun times..

For striking, we used to train with a makiwara board just like this:

I still have my makiwara bolted to my deck, though I seldom train with it anymore. I don't think there is much value in makiwara except for developing determination, I am going to hit this thing 500 times. It's great for hip rotation and connection training at the expense of your hand/arm joints though.

Quote from: Monster Dave on January 26, 2011, 07:09:04 AM
Is this Cross Fit rant over yet? It's been 3 pages now. After having been harangued myself for being too serious in this thread, someone needs to have MrIncredible change the thread title to the "I'm the know it all about Cross Fit training thread"


END OF LINE.

nothing would make me happier than to never hear crossfit discussed or even mentioned again 

Quote from: He Man on January 26, 2011, 07:36:10 AM
I've looked at some cross fit stuff. Some of it looks good some of it i wouldnt want to try. Ill take what I can get (especially the calisthenic workouts)....


So back onto working out ( I havent asked my instructor about what muscle groups to work out because he just says kick the shit out of the bag)

But what muscle groups would be best worked out for kicks, and building up the obliques to resist kicks. I've added side crunches added with leg raises, medicine balls, overhanging leg raises so far. I dont like side raises...just not into them. I only have bands at home, but since the semester is starting soon ill have gym access in about 2 weeks.

Again, developing your posterior chain will give you the most bang for your buck in regards to strength training for increased kicking power. Muscles don't work in isolation so isolation work (training muscle groups), while fine for bodybuilders, will be of much less value for someone  attempting to improve power and performance. To convert strength and exercise developed power into kicking power, only repetition after repetition of kicking will accomplish that.

The ab and oblique exercises you mentioned will do just fine for helping you resist kicks.

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If I had a choice (over more conventional routines), I'd do this in a heartbeat:

Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Gladiator Camp

Spartacus: Gods of the Arena - Gladiator Camp

If it's good enough for the area, it's good enough for me!!  

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Quote from: kopfjäger on January 26, 2011, 08:10:24 PM
www.dogbrothers.com

now this is something I would be in complete agreement with




A real deal "gladiator camp".   

certainly the best in the western hemisphere.

The dogbrothers example (while physically challenging) is farther removed from "getting fit" than it is from competition/UFC.

Quote from: Monster Dave on January 27, 2011, 05:13:24 AM
The dogbrothers example (while physically challenging) is farther removed from "getting fit" than it is from competition/UFC.

If a person's definition of "getting fit" is improved aerobic and anaerobic fitness, than few types of training accomplish this better than grappling and fight training.


However, in terms of strength, I would agree, fight training alone would not contribute significantly to increased strength and hypertrophy.

From a functional standpoint, dogbrother type training would actually give you a real world defensive skill unlike most martial arts.

If you look at martial arts, most of them are highly complex and requires years of study to perfect because aside from being a form of fighting, it is also a lifestyle and art in itself.

The most successful fighting systems for sport purposes, which is like a NFL Season game vs the Pro Bowl, are designed to express talent based on a specific system. There are rules and regulations.

So when you look at Martial arts as a type of self defense, it helps, but its not the main goal. Muay Thai BJJ Akido TKD, all of thes fighting systems are more sport oriented then anything else. None of them are geared toward street fighting, some of it is applicable, but most of it is geared towards ring fighting.

the dogbrother training seems like its specifically geared to self defense, somewhat similar to the idea behind Krav Maga. Too bad they dont have any classes here in NYC. I'd love to learn some of that stuff.