I think it's on TOB (and my laziness trumps my desire to be "right"), but I was specifically pregnant doging about the CRG lanesplitter knock-offs from Pazzo.

Regardless, buy whatever you want. In thinking about it again, without a patent it technically isn't stealing. Beats me if there's a patent or not.

Mind you, you'll be hypocrite if you complain later when the company vanishes (see also, CycleCat, RoadRacing, etc. etc.)

Also git off my lawn.

Anyone seen these yet? They look pretty interesting and quite adjustable. I wonder if the have the tab on the clutch lever that will let you start the bike in gear.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/09-10-696-MONSTER-Black-Folding-Levers-Ducati-Logo-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19c367681cQQitemZ110652516380QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on March 24, 2011, 07:54:26 PM


I think it's on TOB (and my laziness trumps my desire to be "right"), but I was specifically pregnant doging about the CRG lanesplitter knock-offs from Pazzo.

Regardless, buy whatever you want. In thinking about it again, without a patent it technically isn't stealing. Beats me if there's a patent or not.

Mind you, you'll be hypocrite if you complain later when the company vanishes (see also, CycleCat, RoadRacing, etc. etc.)

Also git off my lawn.

Meh, I didn't have enough coffee yesterday (or whenever I posted that).

I've got CRG levers and two sets of Pazzos, and I've pretty much decided on CRG Arrow mirrors for the nekkid Bandit project.

I got my levers in yesterday. They surprisingly look good. No sharp edges, the color is nice. The one question I have is on the adjuster bolt in the picture. The one on my stock levers has some sort of glue on the outside to hold the bolt in place. How far do I need to adjust it in and should I use some loctite on it once adjusted?

Maybe it's just me, but buying a set of these things is akin to buying a Rolex watch at the markets in Hong Kong.
These parts (originals) cost money because the companies that make them have researched the perfect design & quality of materials to ensure that they work, and keep on working for years.

You've shelled out on the best bike marque in the world, why cheapen it with Chinese crap?

Quote from: dan_t on March 29, 2011, 02:30:40 AM
Maybe it's just me, but buying a set of these things is akin to buying a Rolex watch at the markets in Hong Kong.
These parts (originals) cost money because the companies that make them have researched the perfect design & quality of materials to ensure that they work, and keep on working for years.

You've shelled out on the best bike marque in the world, why cheapen it with Chinese crap?

Sure, I bet it took months in the wind tunnel to get the shape of the lever just right and a team of 12 metallurgists to perfect the alloy.   

"Chinese crap" seems a little unfair.  Have you seen or held the levers?

I got a compliment on mine the other day *from a person who owns CRG levers*. Philosophical differences aside, you can't knock them on build quality or finish.

Quote from: Mike Qube on March 25, 2011, 08:59:58 AM
I got my levers in yesterday. They surprisingly look good. No sharp edges, the color is nice. The one question I have is on the adjuster bolt in the picture. The one on my stock levers has some sort of glue on the outside to hold the bolt in place. How far do I need to adjust it in and should I use some loctite on it once adjusted?

You need 1-1.5 mm free play.  The levers from the factory have epoxy on the screws to discourage people from make the beast with two backsing with them.  Do you need loctite?  Dunno, different levers.  I would hit them with a dab of paint, ride and see if they move.

Blue loctite never hurts on something that doesn't need to be moving on its own.

Quote from: dan_t on March 29, 2011, 02:30:40 AM
Maybe it's just me, but buying a set of these things is akin to buying a Rolex watch at the markets in Hong Kong.
These parts (originals) cost money because the companies that make them have researched the perfect design & quality of materials to ensure that they work, and keep on working for years.

You've shelled out on the best bike marque in the world, why cheapen it with Chinese crap?

offhand, if you found out that crg or pazzo made their levers in the same factory with the same alum... would that make a diff to you?

and when it comes to stuff like this... i can understand buying the high dollar orig if it was something that was complex (e.g. a slipper clutch upgrade, or suspension) but something they just cnc mill out of one piece of aluminum?  meh.

Quote from: thought on March 29, 2011, 01:49:58 PM
offhand, if you found out that crg or pazzo made their levers in the same factory with the same alum... would that make a diff to you?

and when it comes to stuff like this... i can understand buying the high dollar orig if it was something that was complex (e.g. a slipper clutch upgrade, or suspension) but something they just cnc mill out of one piece of aluminum?  meh.

Whether or not they're made in the same factory wouldn't mean anything. I'm a manufacturing engineer by education and perform product development and manage production and quality control by trade: it all comes down to quality control. One manufacturer can spec parts from another manufacturer but that doesn't mean both are the same. Tolerances can be wider or tighter depending on what you want to pay for and judging by my mlabel parts, theyre ok with wider. For these parts it really has nothing to do with materials, its more about tolerances.

Many would be surprised at all the different parts in one of these lever assemblies, I was pretty impressed when I took mine apart. The design is not simple and the tolerances of all of these parts will determine how nice the final assembly "feels."

But hey, if you want some cheap levers with pink adjusters and sloppy bushings, be my guest. They're priced well and thats a big feature. My experience concludes that the mlabel levers don't achieve the same level of quality as the pazzo's that I own. This conclusion is based on my trade experience, education, and my inspection of one set of levers.

The other brand of lever may be great, but I haven't inspected it and therefor cannot conclude upon it.

All this being said, its my preference to use a nicer lever, but that's just my preference. To each his own.

I didn't mean to intentionally offend anyone with my earlier comments, as previously stated; each to their own.
I just figure that for a part that really doesn't cost all that much in the first place, why not put the real thing on there? You've chosen to ride a Ducati, not a Suzuki, Yamaha or Zongshen bike, so I just don't really get it, that's all.

I've just finished putting my Pazzo's on (about 20 min's ago) & couldn't be happier, and that is the real test.

If you're happy with the cheapies, I say go for it.

Quote from: DucHead on March 29, 2011, 03:53:17 AM
"Chinese crap" seems a little unfair.  Have you seen or held the levers?

I don't care if each one was personally shat out by the celestial dragon of billet perfection. Doing a great job with a stolen design is still stealing.

Show me a Chinese (or wherever) company with a great original design, or a license on the design, or a design that doesn't need to be licensed and I'll beat a path to their door.

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on March 29, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
I don't care if each one was personally shat out by the celestial dragon of billet perfection.

Ha, ha, ha, you crack me up!

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on March 29, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
I don't care if each one was personally shat out by the celestial dragon of billet perfection. Doing a great job with a stolen design is still stealing.

Show me a Chinese (or wherever) company with a great original design, or a license on the design, or a design that doesn't need to be licensed and I'll beat a path to their door.

If we were talking about a part that was seriously engineered... say a swingarm, slipper clutch, or hell, a master cylinder... I'd agree.

But we are talking about levers with an adjustment that is a cam with indentations.  The only thing inventive about them is the adjuster and, honestly, thats really not that novel (my old dirtbike used the same thing for chain tension).  Any guy with the capitol to buy and tool a CNC machine after he took one semester of classes (probably not even that much) could put together these levers and start selling them.