Can you use the auto tune for Harley twins, and splice the 02 leads to run from the sensor to both the ecu and at unit?

Just postulating ideas with no knowledge of the autotune wiring

Quote from: mattc7 on April 17, 2011, 09:02:18 PM
Can you use the auto tune for Harley twins, and splice the 02 leads to run from the sensor to both the ecu and at unit?

Just postulating ideas with no knowledge of the autotune wiring

I don't want to jack this thread. You should find answers here http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42213.0

The bike is really awesome and I'm excited to see your continuing progress.

I have to ask, though - what's the story on those high-rise clipons?  If you want the bars up that high, why not go with risers & handlebars rather than clipons?

Quote from: Arrick on April 17, 2011, 06:37:59 PM
@ungeheuer, They did not recommend it. I know that one reason was that I would have to drill a hole in the exhaust for a third sensor  .

Well yeah, that would suck as a half-arsed non-option  . 

The advice coming out of DynoJet Central seems to be a little disappointingly inadequate recently.  Business must be so good that they dont want to sell any more Dual Autotune systems  .  In fact, dual Autotune can be made to work very well on your M1100 by replacing both of your stock 02 sensors.  Although going for the PCV and having it nicely setup on a Dyno is the more conventional way to arrive at an excellent (static) result .   

Quote from: Syscrush on April 18, 2011, 06:13:33 AM
The bike is really awesome and I'm excited to see your continuing progress.

I have to ask, though - what's the story on those high-rise clipons?  If you want the bars up that high, why not go with risers & handlebars rather than clipons?

Two Solid Reasons, imo:

Direct input to the forks with clipons, rather than through a  central mounting point / risers and several other bolt connections means less flex.

If you go down with clipons - you replace only the clipon that's been damaged - which is less expensive than a complete bar. Similarly, you only have to redrill the mount-holes for the controls/switches/etc on that particular side, rather than both.

Quote from: j v on April 18, 2011, 09:11:49 AM
If you go down with clipons - you replace only the clipon that's been damaged - which is less expensive than a complete bar.

Seriously?  Speedymoto sells the replacement bars for his clipons in pairs, $50/pr.  You can buy a decent handlebar for about that same money.  Or you can buy a sexy carbon Driven bar for about half of the initial cost of the Speedy clipons.

Also, I don't think that this qualifies as a budget build.

That's the fancy speedymoto 'bent-end' bars.  SpeedyMoto learned from the mistake of CycleCat and did not use a proprietary bar design for their clipons - the clamps can use any normal clipon bar. You can buy expensive titanium bars from NCR to use, or carbon fiber bars, or you can simply get standard, non-angled clipon bars for $20-30.   Its about convenience more than budget, but I'd call that a smart move budget-wise too.   And its half the hassle of drilling for and moving both sides of the controls.

If you are buying spares by the pair, then it comes out cheaper again - they aren't sold by "Right" or "Left" - so if you go down twice on the right hand side, you aren't left with an extra LH bar and the need to re-buy a RH bar. You can flip-flop 'em back and forth.

If you are keeping the cosmetic theme of the bike going, though, a high-aesthetic MX-style handlebar that's tapered (since this is an M1100, and tapered bars flex less) is more than the cost of the pair of SM angled clipon replacement bars.

Quote from: Syscrush on April 18, 2011, 06:13:33 AM
I have to ask, though - what's the story on those high-rise clipons?  If you want the bars up that high, why not go with risers & handlebars rather than clipons?

My guess is because the clip-ons look better. That's subjective, but that's why I would do it.  A practical reason is clip-ons offer more adjustability compared to bars, as they can be rotated to get the desired angle, whereas bars need to be changed to alter the angle.

Given the amount spent on the build, I can't see crash worthiness and/or cost being an issue.

Quote from: duc750 on April 16, 2011, 11:13:16 AM
Yeah, you could have a mid level Toyota but most people who would buy a Toyota aren't paying for it in full. I'd say, after reading both this thread and your S4Rt thread, that you guys are pretty neck and neck when it comes to the status of your builds. The difference is, this guy has bought and paid off his new Toyota in one month.

On top of that your S4Rt can be had for what, around 10k? I think that's around 5k less than a new 1100s?

I'm not trying to make enemies, what you both are doing is very impressive. I wish I was in the position to do half of what you guys already have.

Keep up the good work and I can't wait till both of these projects are done, that way i have some naughty pics to look at when the GF isn't home!!


   

I just wanna see some cool fab work.  Sure, bolting on parts can cause headaches, but lets see some custom stuff!

Quote from: Triple J on April 18, 2011, 02:48:31 PM
My guess is because the clip-ons look better. That's subjective, but that's why I would do it.  A practical reason is clip-ons offer more adjustability compared to bars, as they can be rotated to get the desired angle, whereas bars need to be changed to alter the angle.

Given the amount spent on the build, I can't see crash worthiness and/or cost being an issue.

I guess I was thinking that "while building it, do so to avoid hassles down the road".   The lower cost of replacing just a single bar is a small bit of silver lining when you bin a bike like this and bust one.

Quote from: j v on April 18, 2011, 03:52:14 PM
I guess I was thinking that "while building it, do so to avoid hassles down the road".   The lower cost of replacing just a single bar is a small bit of silver lining when you bin a bike like this and bust one.

I hear what you're saying but am thoroughly convinced Arrick wouldn't sweat the cost of a new bar or clipon. I'm sure he picked the clipons because he likes how they look, plus with the aftermarket triple they're a lot lighter. The stock upper triple is a heavy beast.

The biggest reason for the clip-ons was to be able to really dial in the position of the bars / controls for me and my riding style. From what I have read here on the forum, I know there is some question about the adjustability of the Speedymoto clip-ons, but I will have to wait until I get the tank and panels back on before I can comment on that. I also prefer the cleaned up look of the front end with the clip-ons and new Speedymoto triples.

Should have some big progress to show by the weekend. Stay tuned.

 

Quote from: Arrick on April 19, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
The biggest reason for the clip-ons was to be able to really dial in the position of the bars / controls for me and my riding style. From what I have read hear on the forum, I know there is some question about the adjustability of the Speedymoto clip-ons, but I will have to wait until I get the tank and panels back on before I can comment on that. I also prefer the cleaned up look of the front end with the clip-ons and new Speedymoto triples.

Thanks.  I also love the look of clip-ons on naked bikes, including the Monster - just not that into the tallboys.  It's your bike, though, and you're doing a great job of it.

QuoteShould have some big progress to show by the weekend. Stay tuned.

Can't wait!

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