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TIMING BELT FAILURE

Started by macca, April 17, 2011, 01:41:09 AM

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macca

A friend of mine recently had his ducati rebuilt and a new exactfit timing belt fitted. Less than 500kms later bike seizes and mechanic who fixed the bike said the belt had failed and all the notches were stripped off. Would this be covered by some kind of warranty from belt manufacturer?

Raux

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dragonworld.

Would be a lot to look at??

1. Did the actual belt fail??
2. What condition the belt roller bearings?
3. Vented or open belt covers can allow pickup of grit/stone into belt/sprocket?
4. Maladjustment of belt/s. (Overtight or loosened off)
5. Problem with cam/rocker shaft (eg seizure excessive rotational resistance)

Blah, blah, blah! As you can appreciate, its easy to say the belt failed, but was it a result of another factor??

I dunno about anyone else but I have never seen a cam belt fail on any vehicle (Excepting of course specialist applications, modified and orrace engines etc for example)
without there have been an underlying problem with an associated component! Or the failure to have replaced the belt at the specified intervals!

Be interested in hearing the results the outcome of this one?  [thumbsup]
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brimo

Ditto what dragonworld says, there would be very few mechanics these days that would admit that they f*cked something up when they put it together. Ditch that mechanic and go somewhere else.
I've only ever seen one cambelt fail and that was on a 70s Cortina with about a million miles on it.
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http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54722.msg1015917#msg1015917

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+1 [thumbsup] on what Dragon said. and what i posted in the say anything thread :-\

Quote from: brimo on April 17, 2011, 04:10:21 PM

I've only ever seen one cambelt fail and that was on a 70s Cortina with about a million miles on it.

Hey Brimo funny  that's about the only thing i've seen a belt fail on too [laugh]
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macca

The belt covers are closed with a fairing also. The owner of the bike can't afford to have a mechanic look at it as he just spent all his money on the rebuild. The worst thing about all this is that it's a reputable mechanic that's talked about a lot on this forum that did work.

loony888

well lets not cast this bloke in a poor light, it's all speculation as to what has happened and why, if the mechanic is reputable and talked about a lot here he has probably worked hard to earn his reputation, lets give this time to play out before we get ahead of ourselves assuming who might or might not be at fault.

paul.
HERE AND NOW                      12 DIAVEL AMG
                                              93 888 RS
                                              09 1098R BAYLISS
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mattyvas

That's a bit confusing though, you say he can't afford to have a mechanic look at it but he's spent all his $$$ on the re-build wouldn't that mean there was a mechanic involved in it somewhere.
Or was the rebuild something your friend did himself with the exact fit belts but left no money to take it to a mechanic after it was complete.

As said already there are many factors that can contribute to the result.
Hope it gets sorted out with a positive result.
My bike runs CA belts with no problems as many bikes here and in the US/rest of world do so there is more too it than belts failed. 

loony888

from his first post it sounds like a mechanic has done the rebuild, then the owner has taken the bike back after the failure, i think he means his friend can't afford to have _another_ mechanic look at it. If the mechanic has blamed the belt he should be chasing up the supplier to work out something for the customer, very rare for a belt to strip teeth on it's own though, as others have said, usually _something_ contributing to the failure. what? who knows.............
HERE AND NOW                      12 DIAVEL AMG
                                              93 888 RS
                                              09 1098R BAYLISS
                                              07 Husqvarna TE 450

GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN        03 S4R       95 900SL
                                              01 S4         93 900M
                                              96 748SP

dragonworld.

Quote from: loony888 on April 17, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
well lets not cast this bloke in a poor light, it's all speculation as to what has happened and why, if the mechanic is reputable and talked about a lot here he has probably worked hard to earn his reputation, lets give this time to play out before we get ahead of ourselves assuming who might or might not be at fault.

paul.



Yep!! [thumbsup]
Secret to a long relationship is........Keep the fights clean and the sex DIRTY"!

Mr.S2R

having recent issues with my timing belts I can vouch for CA Cycleworks customer service - brilliant. They will want to see the belts and do some tests as they are always doing quality assurance.  Get in contact with CA first...

vossy

Quote from: Mr.S2R on April 18, 2011, 05:41:16 AM
having recent issues with my timing belts I can vouch for CA Cycleworks customer service - brilliant. They will want to see the belts and do some tests as they are always doing quality assurance.  Get in contact with CA first...


Are you having problems with the  CA Cycleworks "Exact fit" timing belts?
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macca

Thanks for all the advice. My mate is going to get in contact with CA Cycleworks, i will update when he gets an answer.

ollie

Quote from: Mr.S2R on April 18, 2011, 05:41:16 AM
having recent issues with my timing belts I can vouch for CA Cycleworks customer service - brilliant. They will want to see the belts and do some tests as they are always doing quality assurance.  Get in contact with CA first...

what were the issues you had??

Mr.S2R

Quote from: vossy on April 19, 2011, 05:54:24 PM

Are you having problems with the  CA Cycleworks "Exact fit" timing belts?

Quote from: ollie on April 20, 2011, 01:40:06 AM
what were the issues you had??

The abbreviated version of a long story and number of emails:

Ok the issues I had were the belts would get extremely noisy after about 5 mins of riding - to me it sounded like a bearing failure.  Took it to the guys who put my belts on and they said the belts seemed to be tightening when hot, and could not pinpoint the noise.  I contacted CA to see what my options were - anyhow long story short CA Cycleworks credited me my money back and I sent the belts back for analysis - they claimed some sort of metallic paint was found on the side of one of the belts (where it came from I dont know) and said that this rubbing on the crank pulley would make a noise similar to what I was hearing.  They said everything else was fine.

Upon advice from the guys servicing my bike I had them put OEM belts back on, and have not heard the noise since.  Like I said though CA Cycleworks were brilliant in their customer service.  I felt a bit guilty putting on the OEM belts instead of CA after all the effort they went through - but then again this is not my area of expertise and I am going on what I have been advised.