Quote from: fastwin on July 17, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
And why is Nicky doing so much better than Vale? I don't hear that much about Vale's physical condition any more. That's not being used as an excuse. Curious minds want to know... what's up?

1) is nicky using the 2012 chassis?

2) rossi fell this weekend and aggravated his recently injured shoulder.

Quote from: derby on July 17, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
1) is nicky using the 2012 chassis?

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not according to Moody and Ryder.

The plan is for him to get it for Laguna.

Does he want it?

Quote from: ducpainter on July 18, 2011, 03:15:52 AM
not according to Moody and Ryder.

The plan is for him to get it for Laguna.

Does he want it?

they're probably bringing 1 of each.  and yeah, putting the 800 in the GP12 seems to have put rossi right back to the drawing board.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/17/2011_sachsenring_motogp_sunday_roundup_g.html

2 seconds?!

Quote from: desmoquattro on July 17, 2011, 05:25:54 PM
I don't know if we're going down a technical rathole here to try to explain things. There are so many other factors: the team could be in turmoil..the riders could be far less than 100%. Do I blame certain technical aspects of the bike? Sure. But Casey rode the wheels off that thing, doing far better last year than Vale's doing this year. Something else is going on here.

Casey steers with the rear better than anyone in the field.  The Ducati has a good rear end, so it fit the bill for Stoner, although the crap front end was still a big enough problem that he crashed the bike pretty frequently.  I'm sure Stoner would probably podium the darn thing as it sits, but that doesn't make it a good bike.

this is also the GP11, not the GP10.  supposedly not that different but we also don't know how different it really is.  and the GP10 did throw stoner down on his ass quite a bit.

rossi and JB have been requesting changes since they got there; doesn't mean they're gonna work or that the baseline of the bike wasn't effed from day 1. 

One thing is for sure, you can't blame all of Vale's poor qualy and race results on Burgess not being there. With all due respect to Burgess and his wife's medical problems, I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned. But things were spiraling downward before JB left camp. But it is funny that Nicky is doing better than Rossi. Think he's just more used to the Duc's problems and can somehow try to ride around them? I just can't get over why they would drop the WSBK team and put all their efforts into this sinking boat. Yeah yeah, I know... Checa is the "factory" WSBK team in sheeps clothing. But I would have put my money into WSBK not MotoGP. I'd follow Kawasaki's lead. Screw MotoGP, we don't sell those bikes. We sell ZX-10Rs and that's what we race.

Quote from: fastwin on July 18, 2011, 07:14:09 AM
One thing is for sure, you can't blame all of Vale's poor qualy and race results on Burgess not being there. With all due respect to Burgess and his wife's medical problems, I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned. But things were spiraling downward before JB left camp. But it is funny that Nicky is doing better than Rossi. Think he's just more used to the Duc's problems and can somehow try to ride around them? I just can't get over why they would drop the WSBK team and put all their efforts into this sinking boat. Yeah yeah, I know... Checa is the "factory" WSBK team in sheeps clothing. But I would have put my money into WSBK not MotoGP. I'd follow Kawasaki's lead. Screw MotoGP, we don't sell those bikes. We sell ZX-10Rs and that's what we race.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not that good anymore. :O

*flame suit on*

Nice ride by Pedroboit, awesome ride by Lorenzo. Can't wait to hear what's Stoner's excusethis time

+1 Great rides by them for sure. This week I'm in Stoner's corner. No whining this time. He said he was just trying to not make the beast with two backs over his tires and make them last (un-like last race) and he just couldn't hang with the other aliens. No complaints, no blame. Man up time.

Quote from: fastwin on July 18, 2011, 08:08:32 AM
+1 Great rides by them for sure. This week I'm in Stoner's corner. No whining this time. He said he was just trying to not make the beast with two backs over his tires and make them last (un-like last race) and he just couldn't hang with the other aliens. No complaints, no blame. Man up time.

I'm impressed, good on him. If he keeps this up he might win me back as a fan

I love Stoner on the track, he's awesome. So is Pedrobot. Holy shit did I just say that? It's their off track personas I am not a big fan of. OK... I still don't like Pedrobot taking out Nicky in '06 on the track but I'll someday get over it.

Still another good MotoGP race this weekend! Sad I have to make a big deal out of that. Hopefully they will continue.

Quote from: fastwin on July 18, 2011, 07:14:09 AM
But I would have put my money into WSBK not MotoGP. I'd follow Kawasaki's lead. Screw MotoGP, we don't sell those bikes. We sell ZX-10Rs and that's what we race.

dude.  rossi is still rossi.  even finishing 9th he's still a 9-time world champ who's italian.  ducati is selling more bikes now because of him, guaranteed.

plus, he's rossi on the other hand too.  meaning, he doesn't give up very easily.  they'll get it sorted.

Steal the M1 that Rossi liked the best, put the Duc engine in the Yamaha frame, cover the frame with CF graphics, paint it all yellow and red, and go racing....  

As others have said, if this is a preview, the remaining races should be great to watch.  It was more like a WSBK or moto2 race as tight as the packs were.  Ducati should revive the screamer engine and at least give the boys a bullet in a straight line.  Who cares if it doesn't last the season, just take the engine penalty, start from the back of the grid and pass everybody 

comparing the avg speed at Assen this year

C. CHECA  168,199 km/h

V ROSSI  167.7 km/h

In fact, Checa with the WSBK 1198 would have finished 3rd in the Assen MotoGP race.

Yeah, I think Ducati has it backwards

Quote from: gm2 on July 18, 2011, 05:20:51 AM
they're probably bringing 1 of each.  and yeah, putting the 800 in the GP12 seems to have put rossi right back to the drawing board.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/17/2011_sachsenring_motogp_sunday_roundup_g.html

2 seconds?!

also according to the announcers the 800 engine in the GP11.1 is the 1000 engine destroked to 800.

supposedly ducati couldn't make it all work with the current GP11 800 engine.