I just bought a set of these from DesmoTull in the marketplace here and sadly he failed to disclose that the bags were missing the the lower mounting brackets.  While they do a lovely job of holding my garage shelves down, I'd really like to be able to use them on the bike.  Am I totally screwed or are these brackets possibly available somewhere?



Here's the advert, did I miss something or does this seem to suggest that these are a complete, ready-to-use set?

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Quote from: DesmoTull on July 19, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
Gotta clean out some of the excess parts...

Up for sale is my Mandarina Duck saddle bags.  These were a limited run soft briefcase style saddle bag set that came on the Monster City.  These bags are in great shape, can easily fit a 17" laptop, and has locking clasps.

Comes with fully lockable hardware, rain covers, and shoulder straps for both.

Will fit all original DSS bikes!  620, 750, 800, 900, 1000DS

Can also work on left side for you S2R / S4R guys with stock exhaust!

$100 + shipping takes em.

PM me, and I can email you some pics.  You won't be dissapointed!!

Love the rhetoric - why are you assuming bad faith by the seller?

Cheers,
Adam

why are you assuming he's assuming? 

Quote from: avizpls on August 01, 2011, 08:33:32 AM
why are you assuming he's assuming? 

"failed to disclose" pretty well implies it.

Cheers,
Adam

if you say so.

just...nevermind.

I haven't assumed anything that I know of re the transaction - all I know is that the advertisement led me to believe I was buying a complete, ready-to-use, set of bags.  I got bags missing what seem to be essential mounting brackets.  Re the "failed to disclose statement," its just a statement of fact with no implication/assumption that I'm aware of.

In any event, the seller so far has been unwilling to make this right so in the unhappy situation I'm stuck with bags missing the lower brackets, any ideas as to where I might obtain the needed lower brackets?  I guess I have assumed they are NLA from Ducati...

Quote from: avizpls on August 01, 2011, 08:52:19 AM
if you say so.

just...nevermind.

Hey, I'm not looking to argue with anybody  my general experience with a lot of these this, especially online, is that it's often either an innocent mistake or 100% unintentional (aka, DT didn't even know those parts were supposed to be included, etc.).

Calling out a member of the DMF community over what was (more than likely) not malicious just seems kind of overboard, especially for $100.  Anyways, just my 2c 

Cheers,
Adam

Quote from: bikepilot on August 01, 2011, 09:17:22 AM
I haven't assumed anything that I know of re the transaction - all I know is that the advertisement led me to believe I was buying a complete, ready-to-use, set of bags.  I got bags missing what seem to be essential mounting brackets.  Re the "failed to disclose statement," its just a statement of fact with no implication/assumption that I'm aware of.

In any event, the seller so far has been unwilling to make this right so in the unhappy situation I'm stuck with bags missing the lower brackets, any ideas as to where I might obtain the needed lower brackets?  I guess I have assumed they are NLA from Ducati...

Good question - I have only seen the bags with the top brackets installed (I had a single one on the left side of my s4r) so im not entirely sure ... Will check around, good luck!

WOW.  Just seeing this...

For the third time now, I'm sorry you are unhappy with the item.  If you send them back to me, I'll refund the purchase price.

Josh, seeing we have an outstanding PayPal dispute, please refrain from slandering me all over the DMF...

Alternativly, if you are able to find these lower brackets (I'm looking as well) and would like to keep the bags, I'd be more than happy to give you a partal refund as well.

By the way, my sister-in-law lives in Crystal City.  Next time I'm down there, I hope we can put this behind us and meet over at Crystal City Sports Pub so I can buy you a beer....

Quote from: DrDesmosedici on August 01, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
Hey, I'm not looking to argue with anybody  my general experience with a lot of these this, especially online, is that it's often either an innocent mistake or 100% unintentional (aka, DT didn't even know those parts were supposed to be included, etc.).

yeah, me either.  when I said never mind, I really meant it because I shouldnt have posted in the first place. This isnt my battleground, and my first post was an ill-fated attempt to suggest that it may not be yours either.

teh lower brackets can be fabricated with a little bit of work not easy but it can be done, i have been trying to fabricate a set myself.

i will say that having a seet of these bags myself the parts for them are really really hard to come by to say the least, if you find them its literally like finding the holy grail now.

good luck to you both.

Lets get this VERY clear.  I have not slandered you (yes, I know precisely what slander is ).  I would like for you to be careful before alleging something legally actionable like that without any supporting facts.  If you think I'm wrong let me know.  It may well be a totally honest mistake on your part, maybe you are so perfect you make the pope look bad - I have no clue and don't care.  All I know is that I paid for what I thought were complete, ready-to-use bags and received something I can't use without extra parts that, so far, I've been unable to find.  

If you advertised these as missing parts and I somehow mis-read the advertisement then its entirely my fault - let me know and I'll eat a huge slice of humble pie and eat the $130.

I'd be happy to accept a full refund + cost of return shipping.  I'm not going to eat your (rather high) shipping cost plus the cost of shipping them back to you because your advertisement was factually incorrect (whether it was an honest mistake or not is irrelevant to me).  I can't fathom why I should bear the costs of your mistake.




Anyway, back to the major issue - anyone know where I can get some lower mounting brackets?

Thanks SBR - if you have any luck fabbing a set and want to knock out two sets I might be interested in buying them from you.  I don't have time to fab anything up myself.

By far my preference would simply to be to find the lower brackets - I'm not even hugely worried about a partial refund (but very much appreciate the offer).

Do me a favor and look at the second and third post on the FS thread.  Does it sound like I have any idea that they attach to anything besides the bracket that bolts to the grab bar?? http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50859.0

Saying (in your gmail messages to me) that I "lied about condition or completeness", and I'm "being downright dishonest and fraudulent" is hardly setting the tone to come to an agreement on this issue...  This continued theme that I'm trying to pull a fast one on you (and ruining any chance of me selling something on this site again) is stupid.

Your only question was if they worked with a tail chop, and indicated to you that they just bolt on the "grab bars", as I did with them on my M620.  Then, bam, I have an *agreed upon* PayPal payment in my inbox...  since we're laying it all out there, I just want to have some transparency...

Guess your not interested in that beer...... 

Private discussions are best left private I think.  My e-mail response was in reply to your prior response and appropriate in context - clipped and pasted here is not appropriate context.  I think folks here are clever enough to realize this.  I could post the full context, but I think that's wholly inappropriate and don't intend to. 

There are only three relevant facts that I can identify.
1) the text of the advertisement.
2) that I paid what you were asking (plus $30 for shipping). 
3) that the lower mounting brackets were not shipped.  I don't think any of these three facts are disputed. 

The dispute is over whether the advertisement disclosed that parts were missing or represented that it was a complete set for sale.  I took the add to mean you were selling a complete set and I think this is what anyone would think from reading that add - if I'm wrong I'm very much open to correction.  If I'm not wrong then the only thing left to figure out is how to fix it and if I'm not wrong then the mistake is entirely yours.  If that's the case, then I think it would be unreasonable to expect me to pay shipping both ways to correct your mistake. 

If I'm wrong and it says somewhere in the add that the parts are missing then you've been more than generous in offering a refund exclusive of shipping charges and you've every right to make me eat the full $130.

I saw the other posts in the thread below the add, I didn't realize speculation about mounting them on a bike with aftermarket rear sets was meant to convey that they were missing the lower mounts.  Maybe this is clear to some folks, it wasn't to me.  Until now I've had absolutely awesome experiences with folks on DMF and didn't carefully scrutinize questions/comments below the advertisement for any indication that the advertisement itself was deceiving.  Maybe I'm crazy, but I can't see how the advertisement could be understood to convey that they bags were being sold as anything other than complete and ready to use.

I understood the answer to my question about the tail chop to be that no, they mount to the grab bars, not the tail.  I didn't understand that this to mean that other mounting parts were missing - clearly the lower mounts don't mount to the tail section and I considered the discussion of tail/grab bar to be quite apart from anything to do with the rearsets and lower mounts. 

Send them back, and I'll refund you once delivery is confirmed.  I personally don't think I should pay more than $130, but WTFE, it's THIRTY DOLLARS.  Cheap money for being done with this whole fiasco....

Lesson learned.  Seller beware....

Members of the DMF, in the future, make sure you have a signed P&S before moving forward with a transaction!