Quote from: Betty on August 22, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
I love conspiracy theories Dragon.

What I think about the E10:
. incentives were offered under environmental grounds as a renewable fuel source
. E10 offered for sale at a slight discount
. people prefer the cheaper E10 even though their increased fuel consumption is actually costing them more
. market (for non-E10) dwindles due to huge uptake in E10 and no incentive from the fuel companies because they make more money by selling more fuel
. fuel suppliers realise the impost of stocking so many different fuel types
. fuel suppliers lobby the authorities to enforce E10 citing environmental consideration and cost savings to the consumer
. government legislates on E10
. predominantly ignorant public don't give a shit because E10 is cheaper and cars are disposable and not worth maintaining.

Everybody is happy ... unless you have a small capacity Ducati, but even worse if you have a small capacity Ducati with a plastic tank.

Betty I know you can waffle on with the best of them, I should know I've waffled too.
But all I can say on this issue is................

SPOT ON MATE 







                                  Mmick

Quote from: Betty on August 22, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
I love conspiracy theories Dragon.

What I think about the E10:
. incentives were offered under environmental grounds as a renewable fuel source
. E10 offered for sale at a slight discount
. people prefer the cheaper E10 even though their increased fuel consumption is actually costing them more
. market (for non-E10) dwindles due to huge uptake in E10 and no incentive from the fuel companies because they make more money by selling more fuel
. fuel suppliers realise the impost of stocking so many different fuel types
. fuel suppliers lobby the authorities to enforce E10 citing environmental consideration and cost savings to the consumer
. government legislates on E10
. predominantly ignorant public don't give a shit because E10 is cheaper and cars are disposable and not worth maintaining.

Everybody is happy ... unless you have a small capacity Ducati, but even worse if you have a small capacity Ducati with a plastic tank.

Im not happy, i own a small patisserie/cafe and the cost of sugar has almost doubled since the E10 alternative had become available

Come on Cakeman, run with the best of them and "Book it to the job ! "

Ofcourse you have to pass on a little, however in a highly competitive environment you absorb as much as you can

Quote from: cakeman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:47 AM
Ofcourse you have to pass on a little, however in a highly competitive environment you absorb as much as you can

You have to be careful about absorbing too much sugar.

Diabetes kids.

Diabetes.

I run 95 and 98 BP, Caltex and Mobil. I have high comp pistons but have retarded the ignition 3 degrees.

Had problems in the past with Shell 98 as many have described but tried it recently and although the bike appeared to run richer no probs this time. With the dense Shell 98 it ran great in zero temps! Wonder if it would foul in summer.

A difference in the bike since I last used Shell 98 with probs was the addition of Dyna coils, Iridium plugs and FCRs. I think the coils and Iridium plugs may have made the difference in dealing with the 98 fuel, but I can't be 100% sure.

For somewhat selfish reasons I thought I'd resurrect this thread (didn't want to start yet another one).

What is everyone using nowadays?

Our experience:
. told to use 95 RON but under no circumstances Shell (dealer)
. later told 91 RON would be better especially for the 620 (independent Ducati mechanics)
. 91 RON become unavailable unless you roll the dice with the insidious ethanol
. 95 RON becoming increasingly difficult to find (especially in our neck of the woods)

So as it stands we use 95 if possible otherwise 98. Does that fit the norm? Is there still reason to avoid Shell (I suspect things may have changed in almost 10 years)?

Any recommendations, feedback or experience you wish to impart?

After talking to Jukie Re the availability of 91 RON/ 95 RON, I asked the local servo people about any deletion of certain octanes?  

And the general reply from 2 or 3 outlets was that they havent heard anything about it, and here in Victoria status quo appears to NOT be changin??

Wassup in NSW??  

Quote from: Betty on August 10, 2011, 07:14:31 PM
For somewhat selfish reasons I thought I'd resurrect this thread (didn't want to start yet another one).

What is everyone using nowadays?

Our experience:
. told to use 95 RON but under no circumstances Shell (dealer)
. later told 91 RON would be better especially for the 620 (independent Ducati mechanics)
. 91 RON become unavailable unless you roll the dice with the insidious ethanol
. 95 RON becoming increasingly difficult to find (especially in our neck of the woods)

So as it stands we use 95 if possible otherwise 98. Does that fit the norm? Is there still reason to avoid Shell (I suspect things may have changed in almost 10 years)?

Any recommendations, feedback or experience you wish to impart?

My Duc dealer recommended Shell V-Power 98RON specifically, not the Shell Premium 98RON though due to additives. He told me that my M1100 had been designed to use Shell V-Power and Ducati spent a lot of time with Shell to get it right, truth or BS I know not.

However I find Caltex 98RON to be the best and have stuck with that and have no problems.

Quote from: Sundog on August 10, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
My Duc dealer recommended Shell V-Power 98RON specifically, not the Shell Premium 98RON though due to additives. He told me that my M1100 had been designed to use Shell V-Power and Ducati spent a lot of time with Shell to get it right, truth or BS I know not.

I figured there may have been a change with the name change to V-Power ... part of the reason I asked. I had always found it odd that the bike comes with a Shell sticker on the engine ... all the lubricants mentioned in the Owner's Manual are Shell ... the Ducati teams are sponsored by Shell ... but we were told not to use Shell fuel (even so far as saying warranty claims would not be honoured if we did).

Perhaps it has something to with the top shelf fuels we must get down here

My prefered and recomended fuel is 91 ron
My 3 local servos haven't sold 91 for a least 2/3 years or more.
only E10 or 95/98 available
So Iam forced to  use 95 or 98 
Was still  able to get 91 at Berowra Mobil , that might change now it's changing to seven 11.
And the Caltex at Singleton  and the Caltex at rouse Hill have 91.
I am not sure why my local servos a Seven 11/woollies Caltex and BP don't sell 91 any more maybe not enough tanks to cater for the different varieties?
Or just forcing people to convert to E10

My preferred order of fuel purchase.

Caltex 95
Mobil 95 (now 7-11)
BP 95

When 95 isn't available, then 98/premium is what I buy.

In the 620 days it was 91 all the way, but I guess that is now becoming hard to find.

I do try to avoid Shell, mostly because it carries on a little more when Shell is used.
Also a friend put a tank full of Shell V-power many years ago when it first hit the market, it was full of water and bent valves which did all sorts of damage. The only reason the servo/Shell said they would fix his car (an Alfa 156) was that his final email he sent was fromo his work address being the Editor of the Sunday Telegraph Carsguide. Guess they saw reason in the end.

Since then Shell has been my last choice.

Quote from: suzyj on August 22, 2010, 12:28:20 PM
I'm totally guessing here, as I haven't tried any of these things.

My plan of attack should I experience problems with the 95 octane fuel is:

• Replace the stock ignition wires with lower resistance ones, to get a better spark and ensure consistent firing
• Increase the plug gap a little over standard, to get better fuel ignition
• Try expensive iridium spark plugs (DCPR8EIX), with a slightly bigger than standard gap
• Try running hotter plugs (DCPR7EIX)
  
• Replace the coils, with ones that provide a better spark, then open the plug gap out a little more

Open that gap until the motor protests then back the gap off, Iridium plugs also benifit from a wider gapthan a standard plug so open it up





                                                 Mmick

The older 750 will NOT run on anything above 91RON!! It will shit plugs (Including Iridium) and run like a bucket of bolts! 

The DS on any of the three but 95 it runs crisper with no difference in engine feel between the 95 and 98! 

I've been running Caltex and Mobil without any problems.