From another point of view, I used to work in my school's dining hall that used the sticky traps and we would sometimes see live mice that had ripped their legs off getting away from the trap.

Quote from: fastwin on September 22, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
Unethical? WTF? We are talking about rats, right? Not baby seals or baskets of kittens. What, that dude has a conscience? He needs counseling.

After all, it's why we call em rats!

I dunno, I'm personally against the glue traps. We used to have 5 pet rats and they were awesome.  I don't want uninvited mice or rats in my home so I do set the snap traps but I don't want to make something that doesn't know any better suffer more than necessary. I figure they're all just trying to make their way through this shitty life too.

an exterminator said it was unethical? 
I'd say it's unethical for them to destroy our houses.....no mercy here.

Quote from: lethe on September 22, 2011, 05:01:50 PM
I dunno, I'm personally against the glue traps. We used to have 5 pet rats and they were awesome.  I don't want uninvited mice or rats in my home so I do set the snap traps but I don't want to make something that doesn't know any better suffer more than necessary. I figure they're all just trying to make their way through this shitty life too.

I'm 100% with you.

Quote from: lethe on September 22, 2011, 05:01:50 PM
I dunno, I'm personally against the glue traps. We used to have 5 pet rats and they were awesome.  I don't want uninvited mice or rats in my home so I do set the snap traps but I don't want to make something that doesn't know any better suffer more than necessary. I figure they're all just trying to make their way through this shitty life too.

I understand exactly where you're coming from, but...

I'm betting the rat has a completely different perspective.

Quote from: duck soup on September 22, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
I understand exactly where you're coming from, but...

I'm betting the rat has a completely different perspective.

A rat only knows what a rat knows, I know more and therefore have to see it from a more advanced perspective.

Quote from: lethe on September 22, 2011, 06:02:42 PM
A rat only knows what a rat knows, I know more and therefore have to see it from a more advanced perspective.

I think I said that

I suppose glue traps might be up there with trapping snares, clubbing baby harp seals and iron spring traps

All civilization has a really dark and unpleasant underside that formed it and keeps it going

personally I owe a debt of gratitude to every neolithic ancestor

who clobbered and skinned an animal and wrapped him or herself in its furry remains when it got cold out

I tend to focus on things like Hanta Virus, Black Plague, Rat Bite Fever, Gnawed electrical Wires and smoking craters where a house once was....

those thoughts allow me to cross a threshold into a whole world of cold-bloodedness I don't normally exhibit

well at least do not exhibit very much anymore............... these days  

remember that thing that....peeny...

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Hey RAT and somegirl, maybe enlisting barn owls would help your rodent battles??

… The buck-toothed vermin [rats], it turns out, are a delicacy to barn owls, a family of which can gobble between 3,000 and 5,000 a year.

[following quotes from people trying to limit rodent population at the Marin Civic Center]
"Barn owls are most beneficial to man in controlling rodents, because they are cavity nesters and are easy to attract," ... "They are superb hunters with large appetites. Also, the barn owl is nonterritorial, so you can attract as many owls to an area as there is prey to eat."
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"Typically, barn owls start looking for the wintertime nests in the fall, so we're hoping they move in soon."
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Barn owls do not build their own nests. Instead, they look for holes or cavities in trees, often where hawks, ravens and other birds have abandoned nests. This…is why owl boxes work so well.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/23/BAPT1L71HV.DTL

I like the flying night time raptor angle. I'm a raptor fan. Put up some owl boxes. Between traps, snakes, raptors, rat terriors, .22LR guns, nuke them from orbit , etc. I think we got it covered.

The owls end up taking over the house and then he has to find something to get rid of them. 

Quote from: lethe on September 23, 2011, 02:58:03 PM
The owls end up taking over the house and then he has to find something to get rid of them. 

his daughter is a hippie. She'd demand that he move out and let the owls have the house 

Look just get one of the terminator models and have it reprogrammed for killing rats. Perhaps one of the T 1000 units would be a good choice because it can basically shape shift to get under the shed, or even look like a rat itself.  Just imagine it carrying out it's one purpose day and night....