so you're saying a racing slipper will completely absorb a wheel hop?

Quote from: Raux on November 02, 2011, 08:40:48 AM
so you're saying a racing slipper will completely absorb a wheel hop?

hell no, not all of them.

put enough torque into any slipper clutch at the wrong moment or when you're braking and that wheel can go up like a mule.

Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2011, 08:42:49 AM
hell no, not all of them.

put enough torque into any slipper clutch at the wrong moment or when you're braking and that wheel can go up like a mule.

so technically they all are slipper just varying degrees of slippage.

Quote from: Raux on November 02, 2011, 09:01:35 AM
so technically they all are slipper just varying degrees of slippage.

i'd go with that.  the APTC type can handle less torque than the traditional slip type but they all function similarly. 

some people don't like how the APTC changes clutch lever feel.  the traditional antislip doesn't change it much

Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2011, 09:05:25 AM
some people don't like how the APTC changes clutch lever feel.  the traditional antislip doesn't change it much

I swapped the APTC for a "regular" clutch and am much happier. 

Quote from: mergatroyd on November 03, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
I swapped the APTC for a "regular" clutch and am much happier. 

i wonder how you'd like a traditional slipper..

Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
i wonder how you'd like a traditional slipper..

I wouldn't mind trying it.  The thing that I disliked the most about the APTC (and didn't realize till I switched) was the less than positive location of the friction point.  I had the opportunity to ride the "regular" clutch and immediately jump on an APTC bike, and the difference in feel is significant.

I didn't find the touted slipper action of the APTC particularly effective at stopping tail wag (chirping the rear tire) on downshifts under hard braking.  I assume some of that is riding style and bad habits/lack of skill, but still.

Quote from: mergatroyd on November 03, 2011, 09:41:21 AM
I wouldn't mind trying it.  The thing that I disliked the most about the APTC (and didn't realize till I switched) was the less than positive location of the friction point.  I had the opportunity to ride the "regular" clutch and immediately jump on an APTC bike, and the difference in feel is significant.

I didn't find the touted slipper action of the APTC particularly effective at stopping tail wag (chirping the rear tire) on downshifts under hard braking.  I assume some of that is riding style and bad habits/lack of skill, but still.

if you're hard braking, i'd assume to be grabbing some clutch too.

the "less than positive" feel is exactly what the slipper does -- it lets the clutch slip a bit if the amount of torque increase exceeds the slipper's function (i.e. ball angle or spring pressure).  it basically is pushing back on your lever, if you will.

it does require soem getting used to.  when i ride my SS i have to give myself a few minutes to feel the clutch again.  my s2r's clutch has become sort of my standard now.

Quote from: ducatiz on November 03, 2011, 10:34:35 AM
if you're hard braking, i'd assume to be grabbing some clutch too.

the "less than positive" feel is exactly what the slipper does -- it lets the clutch slip a bit if the amount of torque increase exceeds the slipper's function (i.e. ball angle or spring pressure).  it basically is pushing back on your lever, if you will.

it does require soem getting used to.  when i ride my SS i have to give myself a few minutes to feel the clutch again.  my s2r's clutch has become sort of my standard now.

I did mention riding style... I use a lot of engine braking.  On my way home the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 maybe 200ft from my downhill, linked right hand turns (essentially one turn, although technically 2 with a 50-100 ft. straight in between) onto a privately maintained frontage road with no houses and another left turn about 1/4 mile away.  No houses for approximately a mile, straight line, excellent visibility through all corners.  And that's all I'll say about that.

More specifically, I didn't like the uncertainty when leaving from a stop or when attempting to do low speed parking lot stuff.  It is really difficult for me to feather the APTC at just the right point so I can feel comfortable making tight turns a la MSF stuff. 

For city driving the APTC is fine. Its keeps lever pressure down which in turn means less hand strain. I like it and ridden bike with and without slippers.