Caviga models coming to U.S.?

[Travman]

Do you think any of the Cagiva motorcycles with make it to the U.S. now that the HD/MV Agusta & Cagiva merger has taken place?  My local dealer carries both Ducati & MV Agusta.  It would be nice to see the Mito & Raptor models too. 



MV is planning on bring a 675 triple to the Milan show.  I want to see that one at my local dealership too.

[superjohn]

I've heard they were planning on marketing the Mito through MV dealers, but since the HD take-over I haven't even heard those rumours.

[Greg]

Do you think any of the Cagiva motorcycles with make it to the U.S. now that the HD/MV Agusta & Cagiva merger has taken place?  My local dealer carries both Ducati & MV Agusta.  It would be nice to see the Mito & Raptor models too. 

I wouldn't count on ever seeing another 2-stroke street legal bike. In fact I predict it won't be long before ALL 2-stroke motors are phased out, including small motors like weed eaters and chain saws.

[red baron]

I wouldn't count on ever seeing another 2-stroke street legal bike. In fact I predict it won't be long before ALL 2-stroke motors are phased out, including small motors like weed eaters and chain saws.

I thought that already happened?

[Jobu]

I thought that already happened?

Guess not. 

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=218185-65481-218185&lpage=none

Unless you were referring to street legal cars/bikes and not the weed whackers.

[the_Journeyman]

It'd be hard for weed-eaters & chain saws to not be 2-stroke.  Think of the different ways they get turned when used.   A crankcase + sump just isn't practical for their environment ~

You won't see any more road going 2-strokes I'm afraid (and dissapointed too)

JM

[VeryMetal]

My first bike was a Cagiva Mito 125. Amazing for a little bike. It was between that and the Aprillia RS. It'd be nice to see them here but they probably wouldn't be the same bike I had in the UK, underpowered. What does everybody think of the HD/ MV thing? I personally think it's going to ruin those bikes. No offense, I just don't like what Harley is as a company. I've owned a Harley from new and I just have a really different perspective on them now than I did when I got my HD, on the outside it looks cool but once you get close up, pure cheese.

[triangleforge]

It'd be hard for weed-eaters & chain saws to not be 2-stroke.  Think of the different ways they get turned when used.   A crankcase + sump just isn't practical for their environment ~

There are plenty of four-stroke string trimmers on the market from Stihl, Echo, Makita & others -- I think Honda & MTD make most of the motors. Two strokes still dominate though. The fours are heavier ('natch) but run cleaner than the two strokes. I'm not aware of any four-stroke chainsaws, though, probably because you can wear a heavy duty string trimmer on a harness, but a chainsaw you've got to heft all the time so the weight penalty is more noticeable.

A question about two stroke motorcycles though -- I've noticed that dirt two strokes usually have that large inflation in the exhaust header before tapering down into the muffler can, like on the Cagiva Raptor in the photo. What does that do -- does it allow for some of the unburned fuel to combust a bit before it exits the tailpipe, or is there some other purpose?

[the_Journeyman]

It's there for back-pressure to keep the fresh fuel-air mixture in the cylinder AFAIK.  There's volumes written on 2-stroke chambering shape & design ~

JM

[Rob Hilding]

^^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_chamber

[triangleforge]

Thanks for the link!  Here's a two-stroke for ya, though I don't think it's coming to the U.S. any time soon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDWqJe1dCgY&feature=rec-fresh

[Rob Hilding]

That's great^

but I wanted to see it ridden [moto]

[red baron]

WOW what a waste of time.

Likely it won't have enough torque to get itself moving.

[ducatiz]

I think 2005 was the last year for any 2-stroke vehicle over 50cc.

Vespa made a TON of PX150 frames and got them titled as 2005 models and they are still selling them (150cc) which is legit since they are '05 model.

2 stroke anything is pretty much outlawed in California.

Already, the generator manufacturers are cutting down 2-strokes anticipating them being outlawed altogether.

Plus, EPA wants to put catalysts on lawnmowers too

probably about time.  lawnmowers etc are pretty noxious.

Point is, Cagiva will never sell any 2-stroke in the USA.  Too expensive to make legal and they'll never sell enough.

Moreover, I doubt Cagiva will continue making bikes, except as a sub-name for MV.  The Raptor was a cool bike as was the Gran Canyon and NAvigator, but since they bought MV and rebadged the whole company, they are focusing on the MV bikes.