EDIT: ITS WORSE!!! Major problem- need advice- WARNING: LONG

[derby]

They are now arguing at Stew is too far away and also would get charged different for "parts" because of that and apparently even though I emailed Leslie at BCM and never heard back, John has sent Miles a list of things that needed to be done to the bike and they are writing up an estimate.

like i said, hours... does time move differently in vermont than it does in socal?

[hbliam]

Not true.

Once again, that depends on state law if verbal contracts are binding.

I didn't say they were not binding. I said it was an error.

[hbliam]

They are now arguing at Stew is too far away and also would get charged different for "parts" because of that and apparently even though I emailed Leslie at BCM and never heard back, John has sent Miles a list of things that needed to be done to the bike and they are writing up an estimate.

Why oh why are you continuing on this track with the guy? You have been told about 50 time's in the thread that it's lawyer time. All your doing by getting an estimate from this guy and an estimate from that guy, is giving the guy different things to lie to you about.

Your issue is thus (if we are getting the whole story): You contracted to build a bike. You were given an estimate for a certain $$ amount and schedule. The builder did not keep the schedule and is also trying to bill you double or triple the estimate.

Stop work now! Get bike back now! Deal with each other in court later.

[junior varsity]

Oh, and if you specifically told the guy to use a specific thing, and uses something different without consulting you first, you are not bound to pay full price, since you were specific. If you said "purple marmalade paint or equal it would be a different story. Simple lecture in Contracts class there for you. The lawyer will help with all these finer points.   

[cyrus buelton]

Grab a couple friends and a few shotguns. Go get your bike back.

Odds are he doesn't have the money to sue you and he has no contract anyway.

Pay him for the 8 hours or whatever it was and move on.

[hbliam]

Grab a couple friends and a few shotguns. Go get your bike back.

Odds are he doesn't have the money to sue you and he has no contract anyway.

Pay him for the 8 hours or whatever it was and move on.

This route minus the shotguns.

[junior varsity]

Bring howitzers instead.

[jclin]

I just want to say that Para did consult (rather informally) a lawyer who advised NOT to formally obtain a lawyer and that small claims court is the best way to go (the ultimate DIY'er)

Para- you're doing what you need to do. Don't mind these guys, they seem to be in it for the drama  . Just know that this WILL take time, which sucks, but when sh!t happens like this, it takes time for it to work out. At this point, figure out what you want out of all this... minimum... and don't quit until you get it. Keep up the hard work and hope it will be worth it. Even if it turns out to be more pain than gain, then you've learned your lesson, and we all thank you for sharing said lesson.

GOOD LUCK, my man! We're all here to support you.

I seem to be very touchy-feely today.

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[printman]

They are now arguing at Stew is too far away and also would get charged different for "parts" because of that and apparently even though I emailed Leslie at BCM and never heard back, John has sent Miles a list of things that needed to be done to the bike and they are writing up an estimate.

You are not questioning the parts as much as him padding the labor. labor does not differ between time zones. His answer is BS.

Even though his parts seem padded as well, the main cost is labor.

[cyrus buelton]

This route minus the shotguns.

Shotguns were thrown in there just to get the point across.


Get a group of 5-6 friends, big bruisers perhaps.

Go in there, load up your bike and make the beast with two backsing leave.


What is he going to do?

He is obviously overcharging you because he needs the money, so odds are he can't afford an attorney.

Now the big x factor is the dude probably knows where you live and also that you don't have a garage for your bike. That could be a problem. However, if he tries to come  get it back = theft

[derby]

Shotguns were thrown in there just to get the point across.


Get a group of 5-6 friends, big bruisers perhaps.

Go in there, load up your bike and make the beast with two backsing leave.


What is he going to do?

He is obviously overcharging you because he needs the money, so odds are he can't afford an attorney.

Now the big x factor is the dude probably knows where you live and also that you don't have a garage for your bike. That could be a problem. However, if he tries to come  get it back = theft

...leave him a check for the 8 or 10 hours you think you rightfully owe him with "paid in full" in the memo field.

[Duc Stamp]

...leave him a check for the 8 or 10 hours you think you rightfully owe him with "paid in full" in the memo field.

Memo field is not binding.  Write "payment in full" on the back where he will endorse it.  Then f he endorses the check and deposits it, then it's supposedly binding.

[5891jonathan]

They are now arguing at Stew is too far away and also would get charged different for "parts" because of that and apparently even though I emailed Leslie at BCM and never heard back, John has sent Miles a list of things that needed to be done to the bike and they are writing up an estimate.

Explain how this matters.  It takes the same amount of time for a competent mechanic to perform an oil change (or whatever) regardless where he lives.  Also, I live in Alaska and buy my bike parts all over the world - and STILL save money over buying locally, even after paying shipping.

[the ron]

why all this trouble for a 695? i don't understand it. sometimes its just better to be on team BSR. and forget about all of the trouble and ride.

the" i feel for you man" ron

[Popeye the Sailor]

Just to put the cost in some sort of perspective.....


I'd be happy to sell you my S4R for 7K. SSS, better suspension......etc etc....