Harley forum compairing Monster 1000s and HD XR1200!

[lwszabo]

check it out under http://hdforums.com/

[Spidey]

That's a weird article.  They didn't even ride the bikes.  It was just comparing specs.  And they said the Harley was 192 lbs. less.  They meant more.

edit:  I missed this gem in my original post.

The braking system of the XR1200 uses a dual disc in the front with 4-piston calipers clamping down on the 11.5" rotors.  In the rear, a single 11.5" disc is bracketed by a single floating piston caliper.  The Ducati also uses a dual disc setup in the front with 4-piston calipers, but they use 12.6" rotors.  Out back, the Monster 1100S has a significantly smaller rotor, measuring only 9.6", with a 2-piston caliper.  The larger front rotors may give the Ducati stronger and more responsive braking, but the Harley system balances the braking pressure more evenly.

[DW]

And of course comparing an S model to the only HD model.  A base monster 1100 would still be way faster in every category than the sportster but cost about the same.

[swampduc]

Looked at the discussion, and for an HD forum, seemed there were a lot of guys who'd rather have the Duc.

[blue tiger]

As the previous owner of a 1200 cc sportster (and this was more than a decade ago) I find it very very very hard to believe that machine makes 90 HP. At the crank on a very friendly dyno ....maybe. In the real world...at the rear wheel..hell no. I'd like to see a show of hands...who thinks the sporty is down by only 3o or so ponies on a s4rs let alone down 5 on the s2r1000

[Norm]

I always thought that naming one of their bike a "sportster" showed that HD has a sense of humor.

[Buckethead]

I always thought that naming one of their bike a "sportster" showed that HD has a sense of humor.

Its all relative. Compared to a Road King, for instance, the Sportster is "quick."

[Travman]

As the previous owner of a 1200 cc sportster (and this was more than a decade ago) I find it very very very hard to believe that machine makes 90 HP. At the crank on a very friendly dyno ....maybe. In the real world...at the rear wheel..hell no. I'd like to see a show of hands...who thinks the sporty is down by only 3o or so ponies on a s4rs let alone down 5 on the s2r1000

A lot has happened in the last ten years.  In the past the Sportsters didn't get any Buell updates. Buells with the same basic engine as the XR1200 have about 90 hp at the rear wheel, so I see no reason why the XR1200 wouldn't produce similar numbers.  They might tune it a little differently, but it is the same engine.

Reference: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/79/881/Motorcycle-Article/2004-Buell-XB12R-Firebolt.aspx

[geoffduc]

It's like comparing a sumo wrestler with a ballet dancer 

[Monstermash]

Harleys SUCK.

'Nuff said.

[Ivan]

As the previous owner of a 1200 cc sportster (and this was more than a decade ago) I find it very very very hard to believe that machine makes 90 HP. At the crank on a very friendly dyno ....maybe. In the real world...at the rear wheel..hell no. I'd like to see a show of hands...who thinks the sporty is down by only 3o or so ponies on a s4rs let alone down 5 on the s2r1000

My 2006 Sporty made 87 RWHP, measured on two different dynos.  It started out as an 883.  I converted it to 1200 using the NRHS kit, and installed a set of ported Buell heads.  If the factory has improved the heads on the XR, 90 RWHP is not hard to believe.

Having said that, the bike still weighed a ton, had lousy brakes, and even with Ohlins suspension upgrades it did not handle worth a damn.  I realized that no matter how much I dumped into it, it would never be.... sporty.  That is when I bought my Monster.

[krolik]

I always thought that naming one of their bike a "sportster" showed that HD has a sense of humor.

Well the Sportster was a very sporty bike when it first came out, in 1957. 

[mmakay]

Well the Sportster was a very sporty bike when it first came out, in 1957. 

EXACTLY. 

At the time, it was the fastest production bike, or some such ... seams ridiculous now, of course!

[teddy037.2]

I thought they weren't releasing the XR in the states?

did HD finally give in to customer demand?

[LA]

One need only look at the claimed dry weight of the XR1200 - 250 kgr.  That's right, 550 lbs. DRY.  They must use lead to get it that heavy.  To use the word "Sport" in this context is just stupid.

I love the looks of the XR styling and the exhaust does have a decent note if you don't go straight pipes.  If Hardly was going to make this bike they should have given it to Eric.

Now the new 1125CR is a whole different ball game.   Except for the whale shark look of the cooling intakes it's a bad ass motorcycle.  For under 12 large it's a pretty good price point too. Hardley guys hate em too.

LA