Powercommander V vs Two Brothers Juice Box vs ???

[Raux]

OK,now i'm confused.
I am getting CF pipes and the BMC filter for the 696.
The new PC V is out for the bike and there is the Juice box. Which is better? what are the benefits vs cons?
are there other options?

ok did some more reading.

there are several types of ways to work this.
-there are chips that fuel the computer into reading the O2 sensors wrong and give it more fuel
-The juicer plugs into the fuel injectors and gives them the signal to give more fuel. the maps are for two brother pipes only, but there is some adjustment for other pipes
-the PC V has other options that can get complicated:
    The autotune module does the work for ya
    The rev  extend (although don't know if there is the option for Ducatis on this) is what it is
   The ignition module can changing spark up to 10 degrees.
   the quickshifter for clutchless shifting without twisting back on the throttle


SOOOO what are other people using?

[Raux]

ok found another GPR Extreme and Extreme multilevel. they both work like the Juice box, pushes (but also reducing) fuel by pluging into the fuel injection system.

so far, the juice box and the GPR seem the simpliest.

Edit: the part number for the GPR Power Jet Multi is EX.003S.DU12  got an email from them. about the same price as the 2Bro system.

[NAKID]

Never knew there was a PCIV let alone a V...

[Raux]

apparently they skipped IV.  maybe cause of the IV sounding too medical?

[Raux]

of course forgot the DP ECU which is by far the most expensive. but comes with the custom but not customizable map BUT does up the RPM limiter.

[1313]

Raux, I don't think too many 696 owners have some sort of ECU "tuning" except for those with the Termi's. 
I'm a set it and forget it kind of guy so the PCV is going to be my route unless something else hits the market in addition to what is already out. I'll let the Auto Tune do the work for me.    I've street tuned a car before and it's a PITA.

[He Man]

PCIV is PCIII-USB.

[Privateer]

don't forget this one

http://www.desmotimes.com/product925.htm

[1313]

don't forget this one

http://www.desmotimes.com/product925.htm

That looks almost exactly like the Juice Box.

[Privateer]

That looks almost exactly like the Juice Box.

yeah they both use load based fuel delivery.  I wonder if 2 bros just buys the powercard and repackages it, or vice versa.. or if it's just a amazing coincidence that they look identical.

Not for the OP but for the rest of us, 2 bros doesn't make a juicebox for other monsters, only 696.  Powercard has several models.

[Raux]

don't forget this one

http://www.desmotimes.com/product925.htm

yeah that's the dobeck performance ones. found those but no 696 application. if youread the FAQ. dobeck used to work to dynojet

[Raux]

ok made a few calls.

Dobeck is indeed the manufacturer for the 2 Bros. but the 2 Bros has added some interface features to make adjustment easier.

Still checking on the GPR line.

I think i'm going with the 2 Bros system though.

just ordered the 2 Bros. I don't have the time nor easy access to a dyno to be able to work with the PC.
the GPR doesn't have a great interface like the 2 bros. so decision was made.

[He Man]

Can you even hook this thing up to a PC if you wanted to?

What is load based  tuning?

[Raux]

Can you even hook this thing up to a PC if you wanted to?

What is load based  tuning?

as far as the pc hook up ,not sure i'm putting a call into two bros tonight.
load based is how much throttle you are inputing as compared to rpm, if i understood that right.

[He Man]

doesnt make sense to me

because if load based is dependent on your throttle as a relation to rpm, then thats the same was the old style (which they say it isnt).

old style = TPS and RPM based, TPS = throttle. (if chewbaca lived on endor....) i couldnt find an actual description of waht load based really means. all it said was, based on load of bike at a given rpm and gear.

but how does it sense how much load there is?