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SSS lateral play at the pivot

Started by jmoth79, February 15, 2009, 03:57:56 PM

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DucHead

Quote from: jmoth79 on February 16, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
anybody?

I can also add that my bike had more than one shim (on the right side I believe) where your illustration shows one (#18) per side.
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jmoth79

If someone could just remove their footpeg bracket and see if the is a washer behind it,  I would be greatly appreciative.

thanks
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DucHead

I'm headed home in about one hour.  I'll look then and report back.
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Howie

According to Ducati maximum play is .1 mm.  The shims coma in 10 and 20 mm. sizes. There should be one or less shims on each side. If you want to be anal I suppose you could start sanding shims.  Ducati obviously thinks this is a close enough tolerance.  If a thicker shim is needed on one side they recommend putting the thicker shim on the right side

DucHead

There are no washers on either side of my rearsets.  The only spacers I remember (when I had my swingarm off for powdercoating) were between the swingarm and the engine case.
'05 S4R (>47k mi); '04 Bandit 1200 (>92k mi; sold); '02 Bandit 1200 (>11k mi); '97 Bandit 1200 (2k mi); '13 FJR1300 (1k mi); IBA #28454 "45"

Howie

Quote from: pompetta on February 16, 2009, 02:46:57 PM
There are no washers on either side of my rearsets.  The only spacers I remember (when I had my swingarm off for powdercoating) were between the swingarm and the engine case.

None where I looked either.  Perhaps they are using more than one bushing set up.

jmoth79

THis is good.  I think I have the info I need now. 
It supports what I originally thought, that both the shims (#15) and washers (#18) fit between the crankcase and swingarm.
I too recently had my swingarm powdercoated and wish I had not taken for granted the manual would be correct.
Next time I'll pay closer attention on disassembly.
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Norm

There really isn't a correct answer to your question, shimming is an art (a simple one), not a science.
Duc factory manuals?? - I gave mine away years ago.

DucHead

Quote from: Norm on February 17, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
There really isn't a correct answer to your question, shimming is an art (a simple one), not a science.
Duc factory manuals?? - I gave mine away years ago.

While I will never give mine away, I think that the service manual -- like any other book -- should be used as a guide, not as an absolute.  :)
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jmoth79

Quote from: jmoth79 on February 16, 2009, 07:33:59 PM
THis is good.  I think I have the info I need now. 

...or so I thought.  I tried but there is definitely not enough lateral space to fit both washers and the 3 shims in the spaces between the crank case and the swingarm.   I'm now starting to think that the gap decreases once the rearsets are torqued down.  (?)  (i know this was mentioned earlier)
But I'm still at a loss as to where the washers go. (?)
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Smokescreen

Rather than reading the Ducati Service manual...  I've found Calvin and Hobbs is rarely wrong!

Read above, there's at least one post stating that there needn't be the same number of shims on either side, but that if an inordinate number of shims need exist, the larger number should be on the right side.  If there are thicker shims available, mayhap you should set it up as noted in your pdf, and simply add a shim to the right.  Then torque to spec, and test lateral play.
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Howie

Quote from: jmoth79 on February 17, 2009, 06:14:41 PM
...or so I thought.  I tried but there is definitely not enough lateral space to fit both washers and the 3 shims in the spaces between the crank case and the swingarm.   I'm now starting to think that the gap decreases once the rearsets are torqued down.  (?)  (i know this was mentioned earlier)
But I'm still at a loss as to where the washers go. (?)

Just the shims go on the swing arm.  The washers go under the bolts that hold your foot peg bracket on, just like in your diagram.