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Started by jmoth79, February 15, 2009, 03:57:56 PM

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jmoth79

February 15, 2009, 03:57:56 PM
Can anyone confirm the proper position of the washers (#18) in relation to the swingarm and engine case?  This picture clearly shows a misrepresention of the order of washers to bushings and snaprings.  My reason for asking is that upon assembling the washers outside the swingarm (as shown in the pic below) Im noticing a substantial amount of lateral play in the swingarm. I think they need to go in between the case and the swingarm rather than how they are shown in the pic,  but Im not sure.  Anyone know?

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ducpainter

#1
February 15, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Ducati has never been known for getting very precise about shimming swing arms.

From the diagram I'd say #18 is more of a dust/dirt guard and the actual shims are #15.

You can add equal amounts of shims to each side to tighten things up.

I had to do that on my M900.
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jmoth79

#2
February 15, 2009, 04:28:17 PM
yea,  I know I have all the shims (#15) in the proper place.  And I know that the washers (#18) do not go outside the rubber bushings (#2).
I just want to know where the washers (#18) really go.
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ducpainter

#3
February 15, 2009, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: jmoth79 on February 15, 2009, 04:28:17 PM
yea,  I know I have all the shims (#15) in the proper place.  And I know that the washers (#18) do not go outside the rubber bushings (#2).
I just want to know where the washers (#18) really go.
Where were they when you took it apart?
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jmoth79

#4
February 15, 2009, 06:56:13 PM
good question,  I dont remember :(
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ducpainter

#5
February 15, 2009, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: jmoth79 on February 15, 2009, 06:56:13 PM
good question,  I dont remember :(
I checked 4 different pdf versions of parts manuals from Ducati.

They all show the same illustration you posted. I don't think Ducati would use the same wrong illustration from '04 to '08, but I could be wrong.  I honestly think they go on the outside and your swingarm simply needs more shims to eliminate some of the play.

Maybe someone with an S*R will pull theirs apart for you.

Good luck
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BastrdHK

#6
February 15, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
Have you torqued everything down to the required spec?  There would be play if not torqued yet.  Also, if you do add shims make sure not to make the pivot too tight!  This is a critical function of your rear suspension, and excessive friction or binding would not be desirable.
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jmoth79

#7
February 16, 2009, 04:47:37 AM
understood,  and  I will take into consideration.  Thanks!
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DucHead

#8
February 16, 2009, 04:52:41 AM
My '05 S4R did/does not have a washer/spacer in the position shown in the illustration.
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Norm

#9
February 16, 2009, 06:00:27 AM
Get a selection of swingarm shims, you're going to go thru this everytime you disassemble it (normal wear) and getting that spacing right is critical for proper handling.

DarkStaR

#10
February 16, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: pompetta on February 16, 2009, 04:52:41 AM
My '05 S4R did/does not have a washer/spacer in the position shown in the illustration.

+1

TAftonomos

#11
February 16, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
What do you expect for only paying 12-15K for a motorcycle, the mfg to actually get the servicec manual and parts breakdown diagrams correct? [laugh] [laugh]  One area that ducati is so far lacking it's almost cause to find another mark to oogle over. [bang]

DucHead

#12
February 16, 2009, 12:00:19 PM Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 03:28:47 PM by pompetta
Quote from: TAftonomos on February 16, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
What do you expect for only paying 12-15K for a motorcycle, the mfg to actually get the servicec manual and parts breakdown diagrams correct? [laugh] [laugh]  One area that ducati is so far lacking it's almost cause to find another mark to oogle over. [bang]
The more I work on my Monster, the more errors I find in the service manual. 

Some are minor (arrows pointing to the incorrect part), others not so minor (stating that it is necessary to remove the clutch prior to removing the flywheel).

However, these problems are not Ducati-specific.  My Bandit service manual has many errors.  The most amusing one is the complete lack of information concerning the starter clutch.  The manual shows a picture of the starter clutch, and says to inspect it, but doesn't say where it is, or what any of the torque specs are!  [laugh]
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jmoth79

#13
February 16, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: jmoth79 on February 15, 2009, 04:28:17 PM
I just want to know where the washers (#18) really go.

anybody?
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ducpainter

#14
February 16, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Quote from: jmoth79 on February 16, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
anybody?
I guess I was wrong.  ;D

Since no one seems to know....

maybe we can figure it out.

Do they measure the thickness of any of the shims listed in the parts file?  Are they the same od as the shims you already installed? Do they equal in thickness to the amount of extra lateral play in the swingarm?
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