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Started by ♣ McKraut ♣, February 22, 2009, 03:50:41 PM

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♣ McKraut ♣

February 22, 2009, 03:50:41 PM
so, i went to change the oil/oil filter yesterday, and upon removing and inspecting the oil drain plug, i saw this:





and filter screen:


so my question is basically "would you be worried if this was your bike?"

i last changed the oil (mobil 1 4T 10W40) about 2k mile ago (~3 months) and don't ride the bike hard or hit high revs.  the last (and previous two oil changes; i bought it used last fall) showed no major debris..just a few tiny metal shaving bits at the base of the magnet.  it has about 21k miles on the odo. currently.  other than that...the only thing about the bike not stock is full Arrows, but they've been on since october or november last year.  i haven't changed anything else up, and like i said before i ride pretty conservatively.  any thoughts on this are appreciated.
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ducpainter

#1
February 22, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
The small pieces aren't alarming to me. The large stuff would worry me I think.
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♣ McKraut ♣

#2
February 22, 2009, 03:59:49 PM
yeah...the metal "fuzz" at the base never alarms me...that stuff always seem to be there on every bike i've changed oil on.  it's the chunks/slivers that i'm really asking about.
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-  Dallas, TX

ducpainter

#3
February 22, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on February 22, 2009, 03:59:49 PM
yeah...the metal "fuzz" at the base never alarms me...that stuff always seem to be there on every bike i've changed oil on.  it's the chunks/slivers that i'm really asking about.
Are they kinda round?

It almost looks like a half ring.
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battlecry

#4
February 22, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
Stripped tread?

ducatiz

#5
February 22, 2009, 06:30:16 PM
check it again in a few hundred miles.  check compression.

ferrous bits only come from a few places.  could be anything. 
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ghosthound

#6
February 22, 2009, 07:10:13 PM
this is gonna sound dumb but how do you remove the oil screen?

billg69gmc

#7
February 22, 2009, 07:27:25 PM Last Edit: February 22, 2009, 07:31:55 PM by billg69gmc
i seem to recall some sort of "plug" that could back out and leave that sort of trash on the drain plug. I just can't recall what it was called... galley plug? I can't remember... anyone... Bueller?

Found the post I was thinking of... might not be what is going on, but at least it's something to compare to/think about/eliminate.

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=16577.0
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scott_araujo

#8
February 22, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
With that many miles on it and a previous clean oil change that looks like a lot of debris.  This might be ok for a first or second oil change when thngs are still breaking in but not at 21k.  You may want to take the shavings to your Duc dealer and get their opinion, if you still have them.

Scott

ducatiz

#9
February 22, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ghosthound on February 22, 2009, 07:10:13 PM
this is gonna sound dumb but how do you remove the oil screen?

depends on the model year

on older models ( < 1998?) there is a plug on the right side bottom.  the screen is on the plug.

on later models it is in the same location under the temp sensor, but a separate piece.  you need a 14mm hex to take it out.  i think it's 14mm.

Quote from: billg69gmc on February 22, 2009, 07:27:25 PM
i seem to recall some sort of "plug" that could back out and leave that sort of trash on the drain plug. I just can't recall what it was called... galley plug? I can't remember... anyone... Bueller?

on mid-90s models, the galley plugs on the crank back out as a result of not being staked and glued correctly (galley plug holes which were used to make the crank).  the plug backs out and scrapes the case, producing shavings (from the case).  the shavings are ALUMINUM and won't stick to the magnet, only on the screen.

Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
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colin748916

#10
February 23, 2009, 01:00:45 AM
My drainplug looked like this when a main bearing shim went to pieces on my 748. With your finger feel around inside the drainplughole, there might be larger bits inside. Based on my experience I would check for crank endfloat just to be safe.

OT_Ducati

#11
February 23, 2009, 04:33:41 AM
check your flywheel nut.
I found shavings like that, flywheel nut was loose
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♣ McKraut ♣

#12
February 23, 2009, 05:08:14 AM
hmmm...i appreciate all the responses.  sounds like it could be a good number of things, though, which i suppose is really what i figured would be the case.  some of them are going to be a bit over my tech-level to check i'm afraid.  maybe this is worthwhile to print out some pics of it and take it to AMS to see what they think.  then i just have to make up my mind if i'm okay with them playing "detective" @ $100/hr.  (i'm due for belt/valve check as it is anyway...this has the potential to be pricey).  i'm almost sure their response is going to be that they need to tear it apart.

maybe dropping the oil in a few hundred miles isn't such a bad idea...  (unless, of course, something terrible is happening inside right now and goes to hell before a few hundred miles...)
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-  Dallas, TX

ducpainter

#13
February 23, 2009, 05:20:19 AM
If it's due for a valve check that would eliminate any additional labor if it was a half ring.

It shouldn't take too long to pull the left cover to check the flywheel nut and crank end play while it's off.

I think this is one of those instances where it might be a lot cheaper in the long run to have it looked at now.
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a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Howie

#14
February 23, 2009, 06:12:49 AM
Definitely get it looked at NOW!  Showing them a photo won't help much.  Surgery will be required.  As ducpainter said, the alternator nut is a good place to start. 
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