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Started by Jester, April 16, 2009, 10:21:57 AM

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COWBOY

#30
April 21, 2009, 07:29:17 PM
Interesting OpEd read on the 2010 rookie rule and the Satellite v. Factory ride debate.

http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/03/28/the_rookie_rule_a_paper_tiger.html

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ducpainter

#31
April 21, 2009, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 21, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
More like you made a statement.  Wasn't much of a question.

You're right though obviously the kid had no future.  He should have quit after 2006.  it's all been down hill since then.


Quote from: ducpainter on April 21, 2009, 01:43:11 PM
Is it true that Stoner had no suspension technician/engineer the year he crashed the Honda mercilessly?
How is what I said a statement?

WTF are you talking about?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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The Don

#32
April 21, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 21, 2009, 07:29:17 PM
Interesting OpEd read on the 2010 rookie rule and the Satellite v. Factory ride debate.

http://www.motogpmatters.com/opinion/2009/03/28/the_rookie_rule_a_paper_tiger.html
Thats a good read.
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato

gm2

#33
April 22, 2009, 08:13:11 AM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 21, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
2006 was actually a strong RC211 year.  5 of the top 9 were on it (Hayden -1st, Melandri - 4th, Pedrosa - 5th, Roberts - 6th, Stoner - 8th, Elias - 9th).  As far as the differences go the only thing I can think that we could look to would be the top recorded speeds per round.  Out of the first 5 races there was a difference of between 1 and 2 km/h between Hayden/Pedrosa and the other Honda riders with the exception of Turkey at which Melandri and Stoner went 1,2 and posted a top speed .4 km/h faster than Hayden/Pedrosa.  It's a small difference but then again in each of those races a top speed differential of less than .4 km/h was generally the difference between winning and being out of the top 5. 

earlier you called it insane to compare them. 

above, you've compared them.  and said they are close-or-better, using your measurement of top speed.

you is one crazy mofo then.
Like this is the racing, no?

COWBOY

#34
April 22, 2009, 08:34:13 AM
Quote from: gm2 on April 22, 2009, 08:13:11 AM
earlier you called it insane to compare them. 

above, you've compared them.  and said they are close-or-better, using your measurement of top speed.

you is one crazy mofo then.


LMAO I'm a crazy mofo because you don't know what equal means?  Nice.

I said it was insane to equate them --  see part 1 below.  I didn't say it wasn't a good bike -- see part 2 below.  All I did was provide some data around a supposed serious question you asked supporting a position I'd already held.

The fact is the bikes are NOT the same nor are the parts availability, resources, funds and support between the Factory rides and the Satellites.


Quote from: COWBOY on April 21, 2009, 01:23:04 PM
To try and equate his time on the Honda with those experienced by Rossi or even Hayden's step child existence is ridiculous.  Trying to argue their bikes were equivalent is even more insane.  Hell the Factory Hondas that year weren't even the same.  The core bike and parts available to the established satellite teams were likewise different let alone what was left over to offer the new one bike team.   

Move on there is no winning that argument. 

If the argument is over the term "crap" then we can agree.   The RC211 is far from a crap bike.  In fact I can't think of another bike that would be better to use as a starting point to build around.

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gm2

#35
April 22, 2009, 08:40:11 AM
i never said they were the same.  i said that, in the beginning of the season, they were relatively comparable.
Like this is the racing, no?

Grampa

#36
April 22, 2009, 10:45:34 AM


FACK dem boths.... I is more suited to battle both...I wins
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So I went solo.  -Me

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-Marcus Luttrell

ducpainter

#37
April 22, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 22, 2009, 08:34:13 AM
LMAO I'm a crazy mofo because you don't know what equal means?  Nice.

I said it was insane to equate them --  see part 1 below.  I didn't say it wasn't a good bike -- see part 2 below.  All I did was provide some data around a supposed serious question you asked supporting a position I'd already held.

The fact is the bikes are NOT the same nor are the parts availability, resources, funds and support between the Factory rides and the Satellites.



No...

you're crazy because you don't understand punctuation.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


COWBOY

#38
April 22, 2009, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 22, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
No...

you're crazy because you don't understand punctuation.


There's only 2 ways to take your "question"

1.  You honestly believed a MotoGP team would not have a suspension specialist on their squad

or

2.  You were being facetious and taking a swipe at the kid.


Seeing as your intelligent enough to help found this place (thank you btw), I concluded you were taking a swipe at the kid which is why I compared his season to Lorenzo's in response to your question.  If you honestly think that Stoner ran his entire rookie season without a suspension tech on his team and would like an answer I will volunteer to search for the info that will confirm or deny that belief.

Why any of this got your panties in a bunch I'm not sure.  It could just be age and/or paranoia catching up to you.  Relax old man it'll be OK.

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ducpainter

#39
April 22, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 22, 2009, 05:55:35 PM

There's only 2 ways to take your "question"

1.  You honestly believed a MotoGP team would not have a suspension specialist on their squad

or

2.  You were being facetious and taking a swipe at the kid.


Seeing as your intelligent enough to help found this place (thank you btw), I concluded you were taking a swipe at the kid which is why I compared his season to Lorenzo's in response to your question.  If you honestly think that Stoner ran his entire rookie season without a suspension tech on his team and would like an answer I will volunteer to search for the info that will confirm or deny that belief.

Why any of this got your panties in a bunch I'm not sure.  It could just be age and/or paranoia catching up to you.  Relax old man it'll be OK.

Conclude what you want.

Come call me old man to my face...I beg you.

You sir have a problem.

We're done.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


COWBOY

#40
April 22, 2009, 06:15:20 PM Last Edit: April 22, 2009, 06:21:37 PM by COWBOY
really?  flexing your internet muscles at a tongue in cheek remark?   LOL.

dude I meant no offense but there's nothing there to get that worked up over.  I'm no spring chicken myself.

go for a ride, grab a beer, something, you're wound a little tight right now.

2005 S2R -- Mods installed: DP termi full racing kit, ST4 Forks, S4R rear shock, 999 Radial Brake and Clutch MCs, 4 pot Brembo Calipers, 320mm Snowflake rotors, SBK Quick change carrier, 43T rear sproket, Tomaselli Clip Ons, Cyclecat Frame Sliders, ASV Levers, zero indicators, Supernova taillight

ducpainter

#41
April 22, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: COWBOY on April 22, 2009, 06:15:20 PM
really?  flexing your internet muscles at a tongue in cheek remark?   LOL.

dude I meant no offense but there's nothing there to get that worked up over.  I'm no spring chicken myself.

go for a ride, grab a beer, something, you're wound a little tight right now.
If you were being facetious you probably should have used a smiley.

I didn't.

Wonder why?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


COWBOY

#42
April 22, 2009, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 22, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
If you were being facetious you probably should have used a smiley.

I didn't.

Wonder why?

because your cranky.

2005 S2R -- Mods installed: DP termi full racing kit, ST4 Forks, S4R rear shock, 999 Radial Brake and Clutch MCs, 4 pot Brembo Calipers, 320mm Snowflake rotors, SBK Quick change carrier, 43T rear sproket, Tomaselli Clip Ons, Cyclecat Frame Sliders, ASV Levers, zero indicators, Supernova taillight

zooom

#43
April 23, 2009, 04:09:45 AM
so, meanwhile back at the ranch....Bobspapa is busy on his pocketbike racing Rossi and Stoner and afterwards having a contest of whom can say FAAACK the best!
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Grampa

#44
April 23, 2009, 02:02:34 PM
 [moto] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


fack
Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar kicked me out of the band..... they said I didnt fit the image they were trying to project. 

So I went solo.  -Me

Some people call 911..... some people are 911
-Marcus Luttrell
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