696 Mapping probs

[bulldogs2k]

I hope it gets worked out, or I'll have to start looking for S2r 800s.   [moto]

[silentbob]

Now that`s why you buy a bike from second model year onwards

I've got a first year 1098, 848, S4R, and first fuel injected M900 in my garage right now and they are all great bikes.  None of them have had any issues.

[DucPete]

I've got a first year 1098, 848, S4R, and first fuel injected M900 in my garage right now and they are all great bikes.  None of them have had any issues.

I don't think he was saying first year bikes are crap.  Just that they tend to have more problems than models that have been out longer.  And obviously not all first year models are plagued with issues. 

[univox]

An oxygen sensor equipped Ducati with fueling issues? Imagine that!

[mitt]

I've got a first year 1098, 848, S4R, and first fuel injected M900 in my garage right now and they are all great bikes.  None of them have had any issues.

I have a first year M1000, and no bad valve guides (yet) or FI problems like the later 1000s and s2r1ks.

My theory, and I work as an engineer designing products for production, is the best products come in the 2nd half of the first year.  The reasoning is that all products will have some birthing bugs, but the original team is still assembled, and has the greatest knowledge of the product, and typically can fix them.

After the first year, then suppliers start to get changed, materials change for cost reductions, etc, and the original team is onto working on something else, and some poor production engineer is trying to test and OK these changes with only a fraction of the product knowledge.  Some products actually get worse after a couple years on the market.

Hopefully this 696 problem can get worked out. The design is finally growing on me, and the next bigger Monsters should be interesting.

mitt

[Travman]

I don't know -- I just don't think Ducati has got this whole O2 stuff figured out yet. They admited to a problem w/ the 1k's, and said none of those issues will affect the 696 now that they have dual O2 sensors. I might be a little cynical but so far that isn't looking too good... To soon to tell I guess.

I hear you.  Fuel Injection problems have kept me away from both the 695 and S2R1000.  I tried to buy a lightly used 695 a while back from the local dealer.  They wouldn't sell it to me until they could get the surging problems worked out.  Four months later I took my deposit back.  I think they finally got it fixed with a DP ECU, but that was long after I had found another bike.  A year later I test rode a stock 07 S2R1000 with surging problems.  Another lost sale. 

The one thing that is odd about this potential problem is that the original poster said his bike had the DP ECU.  This seemed to be the one item that fixed the problems for the 695 & S2R1000. 

Maybe it is just not possible to have an air-cooled motorcycle meet these stringent emmissions without some problems.  The latest Harleys are also having problems running too lean and causing extremely high running temperatures.

[gearhead]

 I finally got my CF Termis pipes on my matte black 696. It went in two stages. First I have to add that I bought the bike out of town as there's no dealer for hundreds of miles. Along with it I picked up the Pipe kit. The tech guy asked who was going to install and tune it once I got them in. The salesman never mentioned this to me but I bought them anyway. The tech also said I could run just the silencers alone for the time being until I got to a dealer. He claimed this wouldnt be a problem. I tried it out that way yesterday and it worked pretty good. As it has been said, the bike is LOUD with the db killers removed and no louder than stock with them in. I also noticed what seemed to be a small flat spot when you whacked open the throttle at 3500 rpm or so. Today I finished installing the whole kit. The bike seems to run a little rougher when it is cruzing along under a light load at 4000 rpm. I ran it for 30 minutes at 22 celsius and only three bars would show on the temp meter.

[SteveH]

Interesting.  The thing that concerns me most about my bike right now (total stocker...my termi's are in; just not getting 'em on until I have to go back for the 600mi), is that the weather has been fairly nice but the temp gauge has seen 5 bars.  Usually it hangs at 3-4; but to me 5 bars seems a little high; considering its only been in the upper 70's and Im not even in major traffic.
I imagine though its from running stoopid lean; and the DPECU should take care of it.

[bulldogs2k]

Interesting.  The thing that concerns me most about my bike right now (total stocker...my termi's are in; just not getting 'em on until I have to go back for the 600mi), is that the weather has been fairly nice but the temp gauge has seen 5 bars.  Usually it hangs at 3-4; but to me 5 bars seems a little high; considering its only been in the upper 70's and Im not even in major traffic.
I imagine though its from running stoopid lean; and the DPECU should take care of it.

The problem with the OP was the fact that he had the DP kit and it caused his bike to run like poop.  Or so it seems.... 

Does anyone know if the 696 can be tuned via power commander? 

[nkryptit]

I haven't seen anything over 4 bars on mine (w/CF Termis since mile/km 1).  Been out for some sustained rides at 70, only then does it move from 3 bars to 4.  I've only had problems with a little bit of stuttering/surging at lower speeds with little throttle.

[bulldogs2k]

I haven't seen anything over 4 bars on mine (w/CF Termis since mile/km 1).  Been out for some sustained rides at 70, only then does it move from 3 bars to 4.  I've only had problems with a little bit of stuttering/surging at lower speeds with little throttle.

Do you have the Dp Ecu kit?  If not, are you just running the silencers? 

[nkryptit]

I've got the DP Slip-Ons + ECU + Filter

[SolidSnake3035]

I'd definitely bring it in and make them check it out for you.

By the way, do you have any pictures of your bike?  I have yet to see a Dark with the Termi's on it.  It would be much appreciated! 

[2-Wheelin Hooligan]

I've got a first year 1098, 848, S4R, and first fuel injected M900 in my garage right now and they are all great bikes.  None of them have had any issues.

Sorry to get off topic here, but do you mind if I ask what you do so I know what to major in???

[nkryptit]

Not great pics, I'll be taking some more photos soon, maybe tonight if I find time.