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MendoDave

#15
January 11, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: Grappa on January 11, 2011, 05:37:27 PM
Dumb question: do the rear wheels turn at all, so that they can land tracking straight while the plane is angled?

To the best of my recollection only the C-5 Galaxy has rear steering wheels, but they are not steerable for landings.

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January 11, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 05:44:16 PM
You think they increase/decrease thrust on one side to help steer it in (like on a boat?)
I think they stick their heads between their legs and kiss their asses goodbye. :P

Seriously, I have no clue how they do it. I have first hand experience telling me they're good at it though.
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#17
January 11, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
I was thinking they might have the rear wheels designed to track kinda like a shopping cart for the crazy landings.  Not so much actively steering them, just locked in totally straight for taxi mode, and shopping cart style for the crazy cross wind landings.  If there isn't any kind of system like that, then those pilots have incredible skills and balls of steel (unless they are women, in which case they would have... I don't know... balls of steel.)   I know planes are very different from motorcycles, I just can't help but see those landings and think about a motorcycle high-siding.  Surprised the plane doesn't  hit wing or at least wiggle around quite a bit.
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#18
January 11, 2011, 06:03:42 PM
Please someone find a video of a plane highsiding. . .
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MendoDave

#19
January 11, 2011, 06:13:27 PM
I used to do it all the time in a small Cessna, its really no big deal. Just dip the one wing down (the one into the crosswind) and make sure the plane is flying straight down the runway. After you get the wheel down the plane just straightens itself out. I guess its pretty much the same in a large plane.

Rameses

#20
January 11, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: Grappa on January 11, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
I was thinking they might have the rear wheels designed to track kinda like a shopping cart for the crazy landings.  Not so much actively steering them, just locked in totally straight for taxi mode, and shopping cart style for the crazy cross wind landings.  If there isn't any kind of system like that, then those pilots have incredible skills and balls of steel (unless they are women, in which case they would have... I don't know... balls of steel.)   I know planes are very different from motorcycles, I just can't help but see those landings and think about a motorcycle high-siding.  Surprised the plane doesn't  hit wing or at least wiggle around quite a bit.



It's no big deal.

They just run the conveyor in the same direction the plane's traveling.

[thumbsup]

Grappa

#21
January 11, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
Be nice. 
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Airborne

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January 11, 2011, 07:41:35 PM Last Edit: January 11, 2011, 07:43:09 PM by Airborne
Quote from: Grappa on January 11, 2011, 05:37:27 PM
Dumb question: do the rear wheels turn at all, so that they can land tracking straight while the plane is angled?

The B52 is the only plane I know of that has that system. There are probably more.
b52

Quote from: Monsterlover on January 11, 2011, 05:44:16 PM
You think they increase/decrease thrust on one side to help steer it in (like on a boat?)
Its all rudder

edit - to clarify its usually a mix of control surfaces, a bit of cross controlling rudder coupled with some dipping of the wing into the wind, usually pilot preference.
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January 11, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
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the_Journeyman

#24
January 12, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
Quote from: Airborne on January 11, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
The B52 is the only plane I know of that has that system.

That's because the B-52 weighs as much as a small country.

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#25
January 12, 2011, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: kopfjäger on January 11, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
TOP TEN Crosswind and Scary Aircraft Landings

Wow. I'm guessing they had to replace most of the seat cushions on those planes afterward.

Does anyone recognize the airport at around 1:40 in the video? Looks like Hong Kong to me - I've landed there only once (as a passenger), but it struck me as a pretty challenging approach even in ideal conditions. Kudos to the pilot in that one and all the others in that video!
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#26
January 12, 2011, 07:59:26 AM
Quote from: Airborne on January 11, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
The B52 is the only plane I know of that has that system. There are probably more.
b52

Bet the pilot about messed his shorts on that landing!!

kopfjäger

#27
January 12, 2011, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: triangleforge on January 12, 2011, 07:54:12 AM
Does anyone recognize the airport at around 1:40 in the video? Looks like Hong Kong to me - I've landed there only once (as a passenger), but it struck me as a pretty challenging approach even in ideal conditions. Kudos to the pilot in that one and all the others in that video!

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Triple J

#28
January 12, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
Boeing did quite a few crosswind test landings of the 777 when I worked at the airport in Reno in the mid nineties...that airport often gets high winds coming off of the Sierras perpendicular to the runway. It was very cool to watch.  [thumbsup] The cabin of the plane was full of computers, work stations for engineers, and large water tanks so they could shift the weight balance for the flights. United also used to do training landings at Reno on ocassion.
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