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Started by ducatiz, September 01, 2011, 09:37:35 AM

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duc_fan

Quote from: J5 on July 24, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
only since late last year has the thai built colorado had the duramax

this was when the new shape was introduced

the old model and the current isuzu dmax has the isuzu motor

sadly i dont think you will see the isuzu in the USA ?

it gave me great pleasure seeing a mate buy the isuzu over the colorado
after the crap i had with holden service


Are the smaller Duramax engines designed or co-designed by Isuzu?  That'd work as well for me as a straight-up Isuzu diesel.  I just wouldn't trust a 100% in-house GM-designed diesel.  Not until it had many years and millions of miles under its belt.

Similarly, I'm not ready to go run out and buy a Cruze diesel... not until that motor has more real-world use, particularly in the US (I have heard US-spec diesel is not as high quality as Euro spec diesel fuel).
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ducatiz

Quote from: duc_fan on July 24, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
Similarly, I'm not ready to go run out and buy a Cruze diesel... not until that motor has more real-world use, particularly in the US (I have heard US-spec diesel is not as high quality as Euro spec diesel fuel).

Pump diesel in the US is 40-45 cetane.  In Europe, you see 55-65 commonly.  I think the minimum there is 50 cetane.  There is a LOT of synth-diesel there as well.  Much cleaner.
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J5

Quote from: duc_fan on July 24, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
Are the smaller Duramax engines designed or co-designed by Isuzu?  That'd work as well for me as a straight-up Isuzu diesel.  I just wouldn't trust a 100% in-house GM-designed diesel.  Not until it had many years and millions of miles under its belt.

Similarly, I'm not ready to go run out and buy a Cruze diesel... not until that motor has more real-world use, particularly in the US (I have heard US-spec diesel is not as high quality as Euro spec diesel fuel).

very unlikely

holden (GM) sold the rodeo ute for prob close to 30 years which was an isuzu product until the colorado came along

this came about as isuzu and holden had a disagreement and isuzu owned the rodeo name


so holden/gm made their ute and isuzu made basically the same and holden used the isuzu motor

this last change has split them both and although both vehicles are similar they use their own motors now

FWIW i bought my colorado with the isuzu motor for 2 simple facts , timing chain over belt and isuzu makes trucks and uses the 4jj1 motor in their trucks



namely http://www.isuzucv.com/businessuses/utility

with a rated durability that 90% of the motors will get 310,000 miles before rebuild

re the cruze , gf had a diesel one and it was ok , but it does have a dpf which no one wants
i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

duc_fan

DPFs suck.  :P  I have just been too lazy to order the delete kit or my truck and get it installed... but I really need to.  Not only too lazy, but I don't want to go blowing out the savings account.  The delete hardware and programmer will run me between $1500 and $2000.  But... it results in improved fuel economy, less crap to go wrong, and MUCH lower fire danger.  Right now we've had 2 wildwires within 10 miles of our place in the past 2 weeks, and there's a 1200 acre one burning ~23 miles northeast of us (big plume of smoke off that one visible from our house yesterday... I'll have to post pics when I get home... work blocking photobucket and all that).  I do not dare take the truck out in the fields right now.

This was tested by the USFS... DPFs are a very real wildland fire danger:
http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/pubs/pdf/08511816.pdf

Are there delete kits for the smaller vehicles, like VWs and the Cruze diesel?
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LowThudd

Ban the DPF!  [evil]

Interesting report Duc_fan. I was aware of the problem, but did not know about that study.

J5

Quote from: duc_fan on July 25, 2013, 10:20:21 AM

Are there delete kits for the smaller vehicles, like VWs and the Cruze diesel?

not sure at all , not something i have looked at

but i agree they are a pain the arse

nissan have a ute equivelent to the colorado model being navara d40 in australia and bad reports of high fuel consumption
due to dpf burnoff

i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

lethe

Quote from: duc_fan on July 25, 2013, 10:20:21 AM

Are there delete kits for the smaller vehicles, like VWs and the Cruze diesel?
yup, never got around to doing it on my TDI and now that I'm past the halfway point of how long I'll own the car, I'm not sure I will
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ducatiz

Quote from: lethe on July 25, 2013, 02:19:54 PM
yup, never got around to doing it on my TDI and now that I'm past the halfway point of how long I'll own the car, I'm not sure I will

What year?  Mine has no filter.
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

lethe

'05 Monster 620
'86 FZ600
'05 KTM SMC 625

ducatiz

Quote from: lethe on July 25, 2013, 06:14:28 PM
2011 and 143k on it now

Ah.   Mine is a 2005 with 220k.  Pd motor.  Best of the lot...:-)
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

LowThudd

Quote from: ducatiz on July 25, 2013, 06:33:26 PM

Ah.   Mine is a 2005 with 220k.  Pd motor.  Best of the lot...:-)


And before the gubbernators lowered compression ratio requirement.

Scooter Montgomery

Quote from: ducatiz on July 25, 2013, 06:33:26 PM

Ah.   Mine is a 2005 with 220k.  Pd motor.  Best of the lot...:-)


Mine is an '91 278k, if doesn't have one either [laugh] or a turbo :'(
2003 620 Half Dark/ Half Silver 35,000 happy miles

duc_fan

Quote from: ducatiz on July 25, 2013, 06:33:26 PM

Ah.   Mine is a 2005 with 220k.  Pd motor.  Best of the lot...:-)


I've heard mixed reviews on the Pumpe-Düse engines.  You like yours?  Particular reasons?  It was introduced in 2004, correct?  Every now and again I go shopping for a used Mk4 Golf TDI to turn into a high-efficiency GTI knockoff (GTD or GTDI).  When your commute is 33 miles each way, highway fuel economy becomes a greater priority.  I just haven't been able to justify the 10-15k it would cost to get into one.  Would take around just under 10 years for it to pay for itself (at current prices locally).  If I could get a decent amount out of my existing (Mk2) GTI and trackbike, I could reduce the payoff period a bit.  Ultimately, we just don't have the cash right this second, and taking out a loan for something with a ten-year payoff period does not make economic sense.  I'd be better off investing in a homebrew biodiesel setup and commuting in the Silverado... yeah, it'd be air hauling, but it'd be CHEAP air hauling.  ;)  If I had my production cost down to $1.50 a gallon, driving the truck would be cheaper than riding the Cagiva.  That doesn't include lower maintenance costs... longer oil change intervals (at about the same price per oil change), less spent on tires, no chain, cost of replacement gear, etc.  I just realised that I dropped $600 on a helmet... that needs replaced every 5 years.  That's $120/year for helmet use.  This stuff adds up quick!
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." -- Albert Einstein

"I want a peaceful soul. I need a bigger gun." -- Charlie Crews on Life

Street: 2000 Cagiva Gran Canyon
Track: 2005 Honda CBR 600RR - Salvage project
Sold: 2001 Ducati SS900ie - Gone, but not forgotten...

LowThudd

Quote from: duc_fan on July 26, 2013, 11:03:14 AM
I've heard mixed reviews on the Pumpe-Düse engines.  You like yours?  Particular reasons?  It was introduced in 2004, correct?  Every now and again I go shopping for a used Mk4 Golf TDI to turn into a high-efficiency GTI knockoff (GTD or GTDI).  When your commute is 33 miles each way, highway fuel economy becomes a greater priority.  I just haven't been able to justify the 10-15k it would cost to get into one.  Would take around just under 10 years for it to pay for itself (at current prices locally).  If I could get a decent amount out of my existing (Mk2) GTI and trackbike, I could reduce the payoff period a bit.  Ultimately, we just don't have the cash right this second, and taking out a loan for something with a ten-year payoff period does not make economic sense.  I'd be better off investing in a homebrew biodiesel setup and commuting in the Silverado... yeah, it'd be air hauling, but it'd be CHEAP air hauling.  ;)  If I had my production cost down to $1.50 a gallon, driving the truck would be cheaper than riding the Cagiva.  That doesn't include lower maintenance costs... longer oil change intervals (at about the same price per oil change), less spent on tires, no chain, cost of replacement gear, etc.  I just realised that I dropped $600 on a helmet... that needs replaced every 5 years.  That's $120/year for helmet use.  This stuff adds up quick!

Very good man. lol

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