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Thoughts on a hypothetical race class

Started by zarn02, October 31, 2011, 05:36:36 PM

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zarn02

So I was watching Moto2 the other day and an idea. Surely not an original idea. I've no doubt it has been done before, but if it's being done at the moment I haven't seen it.

How's about a class (or classes) where there are no factory teams at all. Unlike Moto2, I don't want a control engine. I'm happy to let manufacturers build engines which teams can purchase, and probably have some sort of rules regarding the tuning of those motors beyond factory-fresh specs.

And then whole other groups of people are tasked with producing chassis for these various motors. Who builds which chassis for which motor can be handled in a free-market manner: The best, and therefore (probably) most popular engine(s) attract the best frame makers.

Bodywork can be made by whomever, I suppose. Suspension is a free-for-all as well.

Undecided on how to handle electronics. Either the engine makers, or just purchase off-the-shelf components.

Tires from whomever will make them. Or off-the-shelf race rubber. Whatever works best, and is fiscally possible for the team.

Anybody want to add to my pipe dream? [laugh]
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desmoquattro

How about a claiming rule that allows you to buy another bike for the paltry sum of $1? That'd make it all about the riders :)
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Drunken Monkey

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desmoquattro

Quote from: Drunken Monkey on November 02, 2011, 10:38:38 AM
Sorry, but isn't this the whole point of the claiming rule teams in MotoGP next year?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168905/1/fim_explains_2012_motogp_claiming_rule.html



This is a hypothetical racing league...and claiming rules certainly seem like a good idea.
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'05 MS4R, blue

Drunken Monkey

Quote from: desmoquattro on November 02, 2011, 10:48:02 AM
This is a hypothetical racing league...and claiming rules certainly seem like a good idea.

As long as it's hypothetical, and if close racing is the goal:
Engine limits based on displacement
Tires - Whatever
Bodywork - Whatever
Frames - Whatever
Suspension - Whatever
Gearbox - Whatever - I'd totally allow dual clutch systems.
Minimum weigh limits based on bike + Rider weight.  I'm tired of all these humorless midgets  ;D
And throw in a claiming rule on engines & gearboxes (Frames too?) to prevent overbuilding.

Fuel supply should be limited but reasonably generous. Right now the limited fuel supply is a big driver of much of the crazy electronics packages. Add a claiming rule for software ;)
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duccarlos

Why not just expand the claiming rules to the factories? That would show them... the door.
Quote from: polivo on November 16, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
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desmoquattro

Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:

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'01 900SS, custom yellow, (The Bumblebee)
'05 MS4R, blue

MadDuck

Quote from: desmoquattro on November 03, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:



I am shocked by that picture but, oddly, not surprised.   :o
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Quote from: desmoquattro on November 03, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
Hell...why not a spec series for Turbo 'Busas:



This is what happens when they let the Teutuls work on a Busa.
Quote from: polivo on November 16, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
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zooom

Quote from: duccarlos on November 03, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
This is what happens when they let the Tuttles work on a Busa.

would this be their "Isle of Mann" influence tainted by a residual taste of what they think is italian from whence they had Ducati intepreted and executed through a Busa vessel?
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desmoquattro

Quote from: duccarlos on November 03, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
This is what happens when they let the Teutuls work on a Busa anything.

Fixed...
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'09 1198s,red, (Il Diavolo Rosso
'09 KTM 690 SMC (Thumpy)
'04 Yamaha FZ1, The Blue Cockroach
'01 900SS, custom yellow, (The Bumblebee)
'05 MS4R, blue

duccarlos

Quote from: zooom on November 03, 2011, 09:53:51 AM
would this be their "Isle of Mann" influence tainted by a residual taste of what they think is italian from whence they had Ducati intepreted and executed through a Busa vessel?

Exactly.
Quote from: polivo on November 16, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
my keyboard just served me with paternity suit.