Lance

[Triple J]

Sounds to me like he only regrets his comeback in 09/10 because he thinks he would have gotten away with it otherwise.

If anyone deserves jail time for perjury, Lance does.

[scduc]

Sounds to me like he only regrets his comeback in 09/10 because he thinks he would have gotten away with it otherwise.

If anyone deserves jail time for perjury, Lance does.

WOW, clearly you must think he is a criminal. Did he lie? Sure. Was any one physically hurt? F-no. Lying to protect ones ass may not be acceptable, but surely not worthy of jail time unless real damages occur. I personally like Lance. Does it bother me that he lied? Yep, but I fully understand it. If you think you would have done differently, then you must be a real saint. Maybe they should disband livestrong and let all of the cancer patience fend for them selves. As long as society rewards athletes with billions of dollars, they will continue to push the envelope. We mortals will most likely never see fame. If we do, I'd bet our outlook would be 180.

[Triple J]

WOW, clearly you must think he is a criminal. Did he lie? Sure. Was any one physically hurt? F-no. Lying to protect ones ass may not be acceptable, but surely not worthy of jail time unless real damages occur. I personally like Lance. Does it bother me that he lied? Yep, but I fully understand it. If you think you would have done differently, then you must be a real saint. Maybe they should disband livestrong and let all of the cancer patience fend for them selves. As long as society rewards athletes with billions of dollars, they will continue to push the envelope. We mortals will most likely never see fame. If we do, I'd bet our outlook would be 180.

Your man crush on Lance seems to be clouding your judgement. 

Perjury, which he is most definitely guilty of, is a crime. If the authorities are willing to go after athletes like Barry Bonds for it, then they certainly should go after Lance. That was my point. I don't know if jail is appropriate, but that's what others have been threatened with.

The PED use and constant lying about it isn't my big issue. Lots of athletes have done that, and I understand it. I'd like to hope I wouldn't use PEDs if I was in the same position, but I don't know for sure, as I'm sure the pull of fame and fortune can change your outlook.

What I have a problem with is how he went after his critics, who were telling the truth. Sure, he didn't physically hurt them...he just sued them, discredited them, got them blackballed form their sport, and most definitely seriously harmed them professionally and financially. By his own admission in the interview he sued more people than he can remember. He's a dirtbag, and what he did is inexcusable. I am 110% sure I wouldn't have done that in his position. By your logic Bernie Madoff shouldn't be in jail either because he never physically harmed anyone.

[Billyzoom]

Well said.

Your man crush on Lance seems to be clouding your judgement. 

Perjury, which he is most definitely guilty of, is a crime. If the authorities are willing to go after athletes like Barry Bonds for it, then they certainly should go after Lance. That was my point. I don't know if jail is appropriate, but that's what others have been threatened with.

The PED use and constant lying about it isn't my big issue. Lots of athletes have done that, and I understand it. I'd like to hope I wouldn't use PEDs if I was in the same position, but I don't know for sure, as I'm sure the pull of fame and fortune can change your outlook.

What I have a problem with is how he went after his critics, who were telling the truth. Sure, he didn't physically hurt them...he just sued them, discredited them, got them blackballed form their sport, and most definitely seriously harmed them professionally and financially. By his own admission in the interview he sued more people than he can remember. He's a dirtbag, and what he did is inexcusable. I am 110% sure I wouldn't have done that in his position. By your logic Bernie Madoff shouldn't be in jail either because he never physically harmed anyone.

[hbliam]

WOW, clearly you must think he is a criminal. Did he lie? Sure. Was any one physically hurt? F-no. Lying to protect ones ass may not be acceptable, but surely not worthy of jail time unless real damages occur. I personally like Lance. Does it bother me that he lied? Yep, but I fully understand it. If you think you would have done differently, then you must be a real saint. Maybe they should disband livestrong and let all of the cancer patience fend for them selves. As long as society rewards athletes with billions of dollars, they will continue to push the envelope. We mortals will most likely never see fame. If we do, I'd bet our outlook would be 180.

He is a criminal. And a cheater. And treated a lot of people very badly. I don't care so much about the cheating but using his power and money to destroy others I do care about.

Livestrong? A good byproduct from a criminal. Kind of like the OMG's and their toy runs.

[scduc]

Well now that you put it that way, I agree with you 100%. Throw his ass in jail and take every thing away from him. Remove his name from the history books and because the livestrong foundation was created with stolen money, close that down too.

[kopfjäger]

Well now that you put it that way, I agree with you 100%. Throw his ass in jail and take every thing away from him. Remove his name from the history books and because the livestrong foundation was created with stolen money, close that down too.

Could care less what they do to Lance, but by no means should Livestrong be shut down.

[hbliam]

Well now that you put it that way, I agree with you 100%. Throw his ass in jail and take every thing away from him. Remove his name from the history books and because the livestrong foundation was created with stolen money, close that down too.

Livestrong does not need Lance.

[triangleforge]

Livestrong does not need Lance.

I sincerely hope that's the case, because the foundation did spend at least some (how much is in a bit of dispute) of the money it raised on an important, and under-served, part of the cancer community: people who've survived and have to put their lives back together somehow.

As for Lance himself, if I were his attorneys I'd be asking for payment up front, as it's not clear what he's going to have to pay them with after this all runs its course.

[scduc]

So maybe livestrong should remove lance from all documents and eliminate him from any credit, past present or future. The organization probably doesn't need Lance, but most likely would not exist without him either.

Lawyers , look at OJ. He didn't have any money, yet that didn't stop the lawyers from defending him.

Its a big world out there people. Not everything is as clear as it seems. And not everyone is bad, but show me one person who has not done bad things or treated people poorly. Some of us at just better at getting away with it. Lawyers are a special breed. You want to change the world, start with stopping them from trying to sue everyone. For if there were any ethics in society 90% of all the lawsuit would not exist. Reality is money still talks. We all want more of it and most of us will step on our grandmothers head to get more. Pluck thy stone from thy own eye before casting it unto another.

[kopfjäger]

Some of us are just better at getting away with it.

Congratulations. 

[scduc]

Congratulations. 

Don't get me wrong, I've more than paid my due's for all the stupid things I've done and all the people I've mistreated.

[kopfjäger]

9:52 p.m. ET -- Lance says he has only recently understood how much this saga has affected his mother. Two minutes later, he says that if he saw one of his five children act like he acted in the defiant video clips Oprah has been showing, he'd be "apoplectic."

[Pedro-bot]

So I bet "big business" sponsors feel used.

If true......

Good.  

[scduc]

They may feel used, but the bottom line is they will just attach to another upcoming star, get some of their sponsor dollars back from lance and ultimately be ahead. The only way "big business" would be damaged would be if they continue to support lance and the consumer decides to not buy their product. Which in this case, won't happen because Lance has no sponsors left. Business ethics = oxymoron. Same thing happened with T Woods.