College Football 2012

[kopfjäger]

I don't think they are a top 2 team in the nation...definitely far and away the best team in the Big Ten but that is not saying all that much.

I'm just giving them props for dealing with the ban and the fact that Irving Meyer stepped up to the plate. ND was not even ranked at the beginning of the season and they are going to the show. Nobody and I mean nobody called that.

[ZLTFUL]

I know what you meant. Hehe. And being a Michigan fan, it made my fingers burst into flames giving them as much credit as I did! Lol.

But, OSU did a great job considering the circumstances. I do foresee some great battles coming up in the game though. Ohio State may have "won" this year but Michigan beat themselves. Neither offense was impressive the second half but then a win is a win. Even if the opposing team's offense stayed in the locker room after the half. Lol

[stateprez]

Irving Meyer

Who?  Urban Meyer?

[ZLTFUL]

Yeah. He meant Urban. His phone probably auto-corrected him.

[metallimonster]

I know what you meant. Hehe. And being a Michigan fan, it made my fingers burst into flames giving them as much credit as I did! Lol.

But, OSU did a great job considering the circumstances. I do foresee some great battles coming up in the game though. Ohio State may have "won" this year but Michigan beat themselves. Neither offense was impressive the second half but then a win is a win. Even if the opposing team's offense stayed in the locker room after the half. Lol

Thanks for the "credit".  As I said on the first page of this thread.  I thought OSU would win more games than just about any team.  Only ND can say they won as many no one can say they won more (yet).  I'll take the one year bowl ban for Urban and a 12-0 season.  OSU's bowl this year is recruiting.  Urban is a recruiting assasin and will be out flipping recruits for the next month. I couldn’t be more proud of this year’s seniors and how well they handled adversity.  Do I think they are the best team in the country? No. I do think they could play anyone tough.  This is what makes me so happy for the future.  This was not one of OSU’s most talented teams and Meyer still got them up enough to win every game.  I can’t wait to see what happens when he has his players in place.  

As to the upcoming “battles” in The Game the next few years, I just don’t see it.  Michigan beat no one this year.  You were lucky to beat MSU and NU and got better when your best player got hurt.  Hoke is not even in Meyer’s league as a coach.  Coaches that coach coaches not players hardly ever work (see John Cooper).  I was at the game Saturday and in the second half he just stood there with no headset on while his team got worked.  The refs kept you in it for the first half but after that you had nothing on offense.  I will say your defense played much better than I thought they would. You better hope Mattison doesn’t jump ship soon. But if you think “Michigan is back” you’re just wrong.  When you can consistently beat good teams (no, VT last year doesn’t count) you can say you’re back, you’re not there yet not close. You beat the worst OSU team in 100 years last year.  I hope you enjoyed it.

There is a great article on Yahoo by Dan Whetzel  that basically says the Big Ten should be on notice that it’s only going to get better for OSU and worse for the rest of the conference.

That being said good luck to all the Big Ten teams in bowls and here’s to hoping Nebraska wins Saturday so Wisconsin won’t choke away a third straight Rose Bowl.  

[duccarlos]

Urban did a spectacular job. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but metallimonster is right. I will hate to see what Meyer can do when the lift the ban and after he recruits "his" guys.

[ZLTFUL]

An OSU fan putting words in my mouth...I am shocked by this. And as for OSU playing with anyone? Right. Name one team they played this season that had anything going for them. That's right. You can't. OSU is top dog in a mediocre conference.
West Virginia is a similar team. They were top dog in a conference of perpetual under-achievers but as soon as they moved to a competitive conference, they found out they weren't up to the task. I seriously wish OSU had taken the bowl ban last year so ND or Alabama could lay the serious ass whooping down on them.
The Big 10 is weak and being the strongest of the weak conference doesn't make you a "contenda". It makes you the best of the middle. There is a reason why the AP poll has OSU at number 4 behind 1 undefeated team and 2 1 loss teams.

I say all if this knowing my team is middle of the pack in the middle class Big Ten. But you are naive if you think OSU beat Michigan this year. Michigan beat themselves. They adjusted for the second half and shouldn't have. Watch the game again and see that the offense in the first half was running circles around OSU's D but when they came out in the second half, there was none of the aggressive play calling they had before. They went conservative to protect the lead and by the time they needed to have it back, the rhythm was gone.
But you keep telling yourself that OSU is competitive.

[ZLTFUL]

Btw, Dan Wetzel is worse than Eddie George when it comes to trying to drain OSU's scrotum through the "straw".

[metallimonster]

Dude you try so hard to put OSU fans down for the same exact way that you act about your team.  The Michigan little brother complex is really coming out today.

Michigan lost 4 games OSU lost 0.  You can only play the teams on your schedule. I'm willing to bet you $100 that when OSU scheduled Cal they were ranked higer than Alabama when Michigan scheduled them.  OSU is the only Big Ten team to consistently schedule tough out of conference teams.  And OSU is for damn sure the only Big Ten team to beat any top tier teams in last 12 years.  You tell me Michigan fan how my team is not competitive when you won 2 conference title in 12 years to OSU's 8. You wish your team was "top dog" in our mediocre conference. You keep telling yourself Michigan is back while I watch my team play for National Titles.

I'm at a loss for words on how you compare West Virginia to Ohio State. West Virginia was so good that Michigan took their coach. You remember how that worked out don't you? HA HA HA.

YOU are also making my point for me about this year's team.  They weren't that great but still beat every team on their schedule. Including your team who supposedly came out in the second half and said here Urban, we're spotting you one for this year so the rivalry will come back.  It had nothing to do with OSU's D right? We came out in the second half hit both of your QB's for fumbles and had 2 picks.  That was all Borge's plan right? Not to mention that when you knew we we're running Hyde at the end and you still couldn't stop him. I love how you call me naive when your the one who needs a reality check. Michigan got lucky last year, had a better team this year and lost 4 games.  My team had the only losing season since 1988 (you had 3 in a row before 2011) and came back and won twice as many games. Good luck with fat Hoke who's never won a conference title. I'll take my chances with Urban and his 2 national titles.

[metallimonster]

Btw, Dan Wetzel is worse than Eddie George when it comes to trying to drain OSU's scrotum through the "straw".

And this is just stupid. Wetzel was one of the main contributors to the original Yahoo story on tatgate.  

I actually personally know Eddie as he is a business partner of my Father-in-Law. I know for a fact that he tries very hard to never talk to much about OSU and same for Herbstriet. Now Griese that guy can never keep his mouth shut about Michigan.

You can see it any way you want bud.  I know I'm happy with my team.  After the Rich Rod years I'd be happy and delusional about Hoke if I were a Michigan fan too.

[ZLTFUL]

Listen, you delusional twit, quote me once where I said "Michigan is back". You can't so stop putting words in my mouth.
This is just like an clueless OSU fan who takes a compliment and then twists it into some kind of personal affront.
You keep spewing "the last 12 years". And you keep spewing about 8 Big 10 titles. The Big Ten as a conference has been irrelevant the last 10 years. Ask any bookie in Vegas who matters in the here and now and even without sanctions, your Buckeyes aren't even in the top 5 discussion.
So keep on thinking your team is "back".
I will put up $1000 that your Buckeyes aren't in the top 3 next year and struggle to even make the Rose Bowl.

[metallimonster]

Okay dude you win. Im sorry you feel that way about the conference you're in and have so much trouble winning. Ohio State doesn't have the most BCS wins and was lucky to win against Michigan. But really is the Internet name calling worth it?

I will honestly say good luck in your bowl I truely am rooting for UM to win.

I guess we'll just see how next year plays out, I've got a good feeling you're going to be wrong. But really that's not much of a stretch is it.

Sorry to the rest of you for my part in this arguing.

[ZLTFUL]

You keep acting like I am here saying that Michigan is taking it all in the near future. I'm not. In fact, read through the whole thread and find where I said we were even taking the Big Ten title this year. I didn't. I did say it would be nice but wasn't going to happen.

I gave props to your team. You seemed to take that as some challenge to your honor and jumped down my throat with a page long tirade about how bad Michigan was and how awesome OSU is.
I even agreed with you in that I think that OSU is the best team in the Big Ten. But the Big Ten isn't shit right now. I insulted every single team in the Big Ten. Mine. Yours. All of them because it is a fact.

I honestly wish OSU would have taken the bowl ban last year instead of this year. I stated that. At least then we could put the "what if" argument to rest.

I apologize for calling you a twit. The delusional part still holds true because as fans of our respective teams, we both have delusions. We wouldn't be fans if we weren't.

Anyway, neither team is going to the show. The Big Ten will struggle in bowl games this year. The future remains unwritten.

[ducpainter]

Children...

take it to pm or this is locked.

[metallimonster]

Zilbert- Agreed, my bad too.


Please don't lock this I don't want to ruin it for the rest of the fans.