The new parent thread

[ungeheuer]

Imo, your parenting responsibilities don't end when the sun goes down. You wouldn't leave your child to cry all day, so why do it at night. Read up on the physiological affects of crying it out and I hope you'll agree that it in not a solution. Our baby never cried it out and sleeps through every night. Sure it was hell for a long time, but you don't have a kid to make your life easier.

I agree with you opinion:  Indeed parenting responsibilities do not end when the sun goes down.

Or at any other time. 

Have your opinion, but to suggest that those who do not share it lack responsibility I find offensive.

You wouldn't leave your child to cry all day, so why do it at night.

And nobody here has suggested such stupidity.  There is a world of difference between leaving your child to cry all day and/or night.... and allowing them to "cry it out" having first made sure that their immediate needs are taken care of and that they are otherwise well. 

you don't have a kid to make your life easier.

Agree again.  Are you suggesting that those who don't subscribe to your view are less diligent parents interested in not being inconvenienced by parenthood?

Opinion is one thing.  Value judgements are another.

[Howley]

As far as I'm concerned, if a baby is crying its needs are not being met. I'm not saying people who practice cry it out techniques are irresponsible, but if they do it with full knowledge of the damage and distress they are causing their child, solely  so in the long term they can get a better nights sleep, in my opinion its not far from child abuse.
Don't get me wrong, we tried cry it out for about half an hour. It reduced both of us to tears and feeling physically unwell. Anything that goes against your natural instincts that much we figured could not be right, and further research proved that to us.
Ymmv. Like you said, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got them.

[somegirl]

Even professional "sleep training" experts do not advocate trying those techniques with a newborn.

[rgramjet]

You can find "experts" that have a position on every side of the coin.....

[Howley]

Yes but usually only one side is based on fact and proper research.

[rgramjet]

Yes but usually only one side is based on fact and proper research.

And then there is the side you disagree with?  

[Howley]

Bazinga!

[Slide Panda]

Well, sticking to the reduced down time between feedings has seemed to help a touch. And some progress was made in the something besides a human finger department.

Though as a general rule he still HATES to get a diaper change. Though there was a mellow one yesterday, generally they are the scene of much fuming.

[zooom]

Though as a general rule he still HATES to get a diaper change. Though there was a mellow one yesterday, generally they are the scene of much fuming.

wait till the diaper starts to produce fumes of toxicity!!!

[Slide Panda]

I'll just be happy when my low back troubles are (mostly) resolved. Had to call for a rescue a couple times when I was no longer able to stand. Got a shortened fuse for bent over stuff and the super fuss makes it all take longer, pushing past my bodys present tolerance level.  Very frustrating to have to press mom into duties I should be able to do and have to crumple on the floor or hold myself up on a bit of furnature

[IZ]

Low back gets worse.  You get more sleep eventually but then they get bigger and want to be carried more! 

Whatever you do..don't go to YouTube for children's songs like those from Big Green Rabbit!  "Green Anaconda" their other animal songs get stuck on your head.  KidsTv123 is another one. The Duck Song, Rain rain go away and The Solar System song...they're cute and the lil one will love them but you can't get them out of my head.

[Slide Panda]

Back a while NPR or something similar did a piece on the Sippy Cups and similar bands who were doing kids music with interesting enough lyrics and sounds for parents. They and a number of other kid oriented bands seem to have formed from various sorts of rockers of our youth who have had kids of their own and though (in my words) that the kids music of the previous era sucked, especially for parents to have to endure - so they formed up kid friendly content bands with the aim to also have stuff that parents will enjoy too.

The back is rooted in an injury about a week before going to the hospital and then provoked by sleeping on something not meant for sleep at the hospital. Needs some RnR, which is a commodity.

[Triple J]

Low back gets worse.  You get more sleep eventually but then they get bigger and want to be carried more!  

+1

I'd say the sore back peaks around them being 2 years old. Carrying my little germ factory landed me in the PT office learning to do all sorts of hammy stretching exercises to take the pressure off of my lower back. A good thing in the long run though, as my intermittent lower back problems are essentially gone now.  

They go through phases with diaper changes as well...don't mind - hate it - don't mind - kinda mind - friggin' hate it - don't mind - etc.  

...and I have the Octonauts (Disney Jr. TV show) song stuck in my head right now.  

[lazylightnin717]

+1

I'd say the sore back peaks around them being 2 years old. Carrying my little germ factory landed me in the PT office learning to do all sorts of hammy stretching exercises to take the pressure off of my lower back. A good thing in the long run though, as my intermittent lower back problems are essentially gone now.  

They go through phases with diaper changes as well...don't mind - hate it - don't mind - kinda mind - friggin' hate it - don't mind - etc.  

...and I have the Octonauts (Disney Jr. TV show) song stuck in my head right now.  

+1 to all that

2 years old is really tough. You think diaper changes are hard now? Wait until they have enough strength in those legs to land a deadly blow to the chin. If it isn't the legs going crazy, my son utilizes every stall tactic he knows. If I let him go without the diaper, he bleeds the lizard all over the floor 

[rgramjet]

wait till the diaper starts to produce fumes of toxicity!!!

Wait til the kiddo has his first blowout!  Ian will be wishing it was just fumes!