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Started by uclabiker06, June 25, 2013, 08:14:00 PM

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zooom

probably not too far off from the pnuematic valve system that HRC uses in the RC212V if I had to guess....still cool to physically see it and know the capabilities and benefits.
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Monsterlover

Awesome. Those ideas have been around a long time. Nice to see that work is still progressing. 

Think of it...

Infinitely adjustable duration and overlap :D
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Speeddog

Those parts seem to work well on an automotive engine.

I find their claims of being used in a 15,000 rpm moto engine a bit hard to swallow.
They say in the video 'opening in a few milliseconds' and 'closing in a few milliseconds'.
The spec sheet I dug out of the Cargine website had the following info:

Rise time 1-8 mm: 2.5 ms
Fall time 8-1 mm: 2.6 ms
Activation delay: 4.5 ms

http://www.cargine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cargine-Free-Valve-Actuator-G5-Specification-2012-09-291.pdf

So it's over 5 ms for the quickest valve event.

At 15,000 rpm, it's 4 ms for a complete crank revolution.
Even a long duration cam,  the valve event is going to be ~3 ms.
They'd need a system ~2x faster.

Perhaps they're holding something back.
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Ddan

Quote from: Speeddog on June 26, 2013, 10:25:09 AM
Those parts seem to work well on an automotive engine.

I find their claims of being used in a 15,000 rpm moto engine a bit hard to swallow.
They say in the video 'opening in a few milliseconds' and 'closing in a few milliseconds'.
The spec sheet I dug out of the Cargine website had the following info:

Rise time 1-8 mm: 2.5 ms
Fall time 8-1 mm: 2.6 ms
Activation delay: 4.5 ms

http://www.cargine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cargine-Free-Valve-Actuator-G5-Specification-2012-09-291.pdf

So it's over 5 ms for the quickest valve event.

At 15,000 rpm, it's 4 ms for a complete crank revolution.
Even a long duration cam,  the valve event is going to be ~3 ms.
They'd need a system ~2x faster.

Perhaps they're holding something back.

Maybe I took it wrong, but I thought he was saying there was a few milliseconds delay before the actuator moved, not for the entire event
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Monsterlover

Quote from: Ddan on June 26, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
Maybe I took it wrong, but I thought he was saying there was a few milliseconds delay before the actuator moved, not for the entire event

That's how I understood it.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Speeddog

I heard " a couple millisecond delay, a couple millisecond open, a couple millisecond close."

More or less.
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Too bad we'll probably never see it here..  some great tech.. 
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Thought some of you would know more about this than me.  [thumbsup]
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Speedbag

Quote from: Monsterlover on June 26, 2013, 06:13:54 AM
Awesome. Those ideas have been around a long time. Nice to see that work is still progressing. 

Think of it...

Infinitely adjustable duration and overlap :D


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Steve.In.Atlanta

That tech stuff is all well and good, but the sound of that Koenigsegg car is beyond amazing.
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