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Lincoln Square Wave TIG 175 vs. Miller Diversion 180 <Updated>

Started by Speeddog, July 20, 2013, 10:59:02 AM

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Speeddog

July 20, 2013, 10:59:02 AM Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 12:22:02 PM by Speeddog
Tell me something the spec sheets don't.

Biggest differences I see so far is Miller is inverter-style, and weighs less than 1/3 of the Lincoln.

Lincoln comes with a stick cable setup as well, but I'm not interested in stick welding.
I've done enough of it to know it's nasty business, and I'm not making ships or buildings.
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ducpainter

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July 20, 2013, 11:08:14 AM Last Edit: July 20, 2013, 11:16:30 AM by ducpainter
One is blue...

the other red.  ;)

Seriously...

In the fab shop I worked at Miller was preferred for Tig and Lincoln for processes like heavy stainless combi flux core/gas mig and stick.

The Millers were Synchrowave 250's though. Not familiar with the Diversion line.
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zach (Slag)

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July 20, 2013, 03:31:24 PM
What are you welding? I'd look at the Syncrowave 200 or 250 if you are welding 1/4 aluminum. Either of the ones you listed would be fine for thin mild steel.
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Speeddog

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July 20, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Both the Lincoln 175 and Miller 180 spec out capable of welding 3/16" steel or aluminum.

That's pretty heavy section for moto parts.
Frame, exhaust, tanks, etc. are all thinner than that.
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ducpainter

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July 20, 2013, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on July 20, 2013, 04:14:25 PM
Both the Lincoln 175 and Miller 180 spec out capable of welding 3/16" steel or aluminum.

That's pretty heavy section for moto parts.
Frame, exhaust, tanks, etc. are all thinner than that.
But some exhaust brackets are close to 1/4".

Welding aluminum takes a surprising amount of amperage.
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Speeddog

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August 12, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Figured I'd ask around to see if anyone I knew had a TIG they were willing to part with.

So I ended up buying this locomotive.

Miller 320 A/BP, rated at 200A @ 60% duty cycle.

Getting adequate power to feed this beast may be a problem.


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ducpainter

#6
August 12, 2013, 05:45:07 PM
That right there is an antique.

Probably runs fine. ;)

3 phase?
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Speeddog

#7
August 12, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
Well.. it's younger than I am.  [laugh]

No, single phase 208/230/460 according to the parchment on the electrical trapdoor.

Manual from Miller says 125A fuse for the supply.
:P
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Rameses

#8
August 12, 2013, 06:39:04 PM

That's an awesome welder.

[clap] [thumbsup]


Monsterlover

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August 12, 2013, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on August 12, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
Figured I'd ask around to see if anyone I knew had a TIG they were willing to part with.

So I ended up buying this locomotive.

Miller 320 A/BP, rated at 200A @ 60% duty cycle.

Getting adequate power to feed this beast may be a problem.




I had that same welder!  Mine wasn't a miller but a sureweld. Other than where yours says miller and is blue mine said sureweld and was yellow. Ac/DC tig/stick with high frequency. It was an awesome machine. There should be a multi tap transformer on the back to let you configure it for your voltage.

I had mine setup for 220 single phase with a 50a breaker. I never used it for stick other than to play around and I think I would have done 3/8 plate in one pass.

That's a very capable machine [thumbsup]
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ducpainter

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August 13, 2013, 03:36:45 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on August 12, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
Well.. it's younger than I am.  [laugh]

<snip>
...as I said... ;D
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Langanobob

#11
August 14, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
I have a Miller DialArc 250HF and I think the manual also calls for a 125 amp breaker.  Unless you're going to build that ship you mentioned you probably won't ever need the full rated current.  I run mine on a 70 amp breaker and I've never tripped it.  Sounds like ML has a similar setup running on a 50 amp breaker. 

I like the old Bell decal on the foot control - looks like your new  machine has a motorcycling background.

Quote from: Speeddog on August 12, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
Well.. it's younger than I am.  [laugh]

No, single phase 208/230/460 according to the parchment on the electrical trapdoor.

Manual from Miller says 125A fuse for the supply.
:P
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