Vanished

[ungeheuer]

Too sad of a deal to be making jokes IMO.  

You are absolutely right. 

Any jest is around the curious disappearance of something generally pretty hard to completely misplace.  The poked fun is at my "alien" expense (and the perceived mischief "we" can get up to in ways Earthlings don't fully understand). 

It's possibly inappropriate.  Dark humour often is.

Pretty sure it's entirely understood that the likely tragic loss of 239 souls is indeed no laughing matter.  And in due course, when facts begin to emerge....  I fully expect this thread to treat the grim seriousness of the matter with due respect.

But thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

[the_Journeyman]

Interesting development.  It turned flew around 350 miles a different direction after it disappeared from radar.  It only disappeared from civilian radar, not military.  It also was flying at a lower altitude when tracked my military radar.  That seems to indicated the radar transponder was switched off.

JM

[MendoDave]

Interesting development.  It turned flew around 350 miles a different direction after it disappeared from radar.  It only disappeared from civilian radar, not military.  It also was flying at a lower altitude when tracked my military radar.  That seems to indicated the radar transponder was switched off.

JM

That development seems to indicate it may have something to do with stolen passports.

[Skybarney]

If you want to see every crazy theory possible just go to these links.  Put on your tinfoil hats though.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001780/pg1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001581/pg1

Sadly, I think all souls are lost.  Either hijacked and crashed in the sea or a tiny spot in a deep dark jungle somewhere.


RIP to all 237 souls.

[hbliam]

You are absolutely right. 

Any jest is around the curious disappearance of something generally pretty hard to completely misplace.  The poked fun is at my "alien" expense (and the perceived mischief "we" can get up to in ways Earthlings don't fully understand). 

It's possibly inappropriate.  Dark humour often is.

Pretty sure it's entirely understood that the likely tragic loss of 239 souls is indeed no laughing matter.  And in due course, when facts begin to emerge....  I fully expect this thread to treat the grim seriousness of the matter with due respect.

But thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

How many more facts need to emerge?

[MendoDave]

How many more facts need to emerge?

You may be waiting until this evening for a response on account of Ung being a Vampire that sleeps during the day.

[hbliam]

You may be waiting until this evening for a response on account of Ung being a Vampire that sleeps during the day.

[Rameses]

Looks like D. B. Cooper's still alive after all.

[Skybarney]

Revised my thoughts after reading this:


MH370 - what happened
A plausible explanation for why MH370 "disappeared" and why we still can't find it. 
March 10, 2014
My recommendation to the NTSB

I sent this email to Peter Knudson (Media Relations) at the NTSB, and he will consider if its worthy of forwarding onto investigators.
At the end of this email, I’ve listed sensible and low-cost recommendations to best aid recovery efforts.

===================================

Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?
A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09-26/html/2013-23456.htm

    SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for

    certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was
    prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the
    satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD
    would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and
    doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of
    contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if
    necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and
    corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression
    and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.

Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based -  GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion.
A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.
Chain of events:

    Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems.
    Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.

If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)

    Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots.
     (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)

With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS.
Other thoughts:

    The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know).
    This explains why 19 families signed a statement  alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.
    When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.

Note:  777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.
Conclusion:
This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.
The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone. [UPDATE: Basically, it could be “anywhere”, and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.]
Recommendations:
• Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft. Per the latest reported news, the Straight of Malacca is a possibility.
• Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google.
• Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator. 
• Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space.

[Triple J]

Interesting theory. From what people who know the aircraft have said, the following isn't very likely:

A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.

Apparently the cabin altitude warning systems on the 777 will start sounding when the equivalent altitude in the pilot's cabin is between 10,000 and 11,000 feet...well before when one start to be confused by oxygen deprivation. That assumes the system was working correctly.

[MendoDave]

Also there should have been enough fuel to fly to its destination unless the there were waypoints in the INS that had not been input already. But getting a subpoena from Apple and google could help.

[Skybarney]

I am unfamiliar with the plane however that does make sense.  Hopefully they find something, at least for the families sake.  I suspect it is a dot in a rainforest somewhere.

Sad, very sad.

[ungeheuer]

How many more facts need to emerge?

Before arriving at a conclusion?  All of them.  

[MendoDave]

Before arriving at a conclusion?  All of them.  

[ungeheuer]

Interesting development.  It turned flew around 350 miles a different direction after it disappeared from radar.  It only disappeared from civilian radar, not military.  It also was flying at a lower altitude when tracked my military radar.  That seems to indicated the radar transponder was switched off.

JM

Yup, that if true, is a very interesting and curious development.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/change-of-course-deepens-mystery-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-jet/story-e6frg95x-1226852147651