Shell Malaysian GP---Spoilers

[m9hundo]

+1 on that ^ I saw hitting the apex and I saw the recklessness of MM

[lazylightnin717]

You guys 'do' remember how MM raced in Moto2.

Great point

[koko64]

Bottom line is Rossi doesnt like copping what he has dished out for years (ask Gibber and Stoner). Rossi doesn't like getting "Rossied". MM can play the same game with a charming smile just as Rossi has. Behind the charm both are ruthless.
MM develops some maturity while Rossi is in regression. MM owes him no favours (and in his mind more than a little payback). Rossi cant get to the little bugger like he could Stoner, Gibber and Biaggi for that matter, but MM has got to him. That's quite an accomplishment. Remember Rossi's accusations against Gibber when Gibber started beating him? He called him a "bastido and saboteur'". Gibber, although not tough enough, was a gentleman.

[Privateer]

marquez is a sociopath.  If you (general you) were setting up for a turn and there's a bike inches away from where you need to be, would you keep tipping your bike over?  No.  He just expects everyone to get out of his way. 

he wrecked himself.  It's not like this is the first time he's done it this season. 

[DarkMonster620]

Bottom line is Rossi doesnt like copping what he has dished out for years (ask Gibber and Stoner). Rossi doesn't like getting "Rossied". MM can play the same game with a charming smile just as Rossi has. Behind the charm both are ruthless.
MM develops some maturity while Rossi is in regression. MM owes him no favours (and in his mind more than a little payback). Rossi cant get to the little bugger like he could Stoner, Gibber and Biaggi for that matter, but MM has got to him. That's quite an accomplishment. Remember Rossi's accusations against Gibber when Gibber started beating him? He called him a "bastido and saboteur'". Gibber, although not tough enough, was a gentleman.

I totally agree with this, if he does it, is OK, if someone does it to him, then, is not OK . . .

[duccarlos]

I'm as frustrated as anyone here, since I don't believe there's a Jorghey fan in this lot. I would have been fine blaming MM if Rossi would have finished 4th. I can't blame him for Rossi pretty obviously riding him off the track. MM was racing and he was racing hard. Rossi showed his first flaw in years.

I also understand the reaction of a lot here that probably didn't watch Rossi race when he first made it to the 500cc class. The kid was fearless, much like MM. He also pissed off others, like Biaggi. The semblance is uncanny.

[1.21GW]

I'm as frustrated as anyone here, since I don't believe there's a Jorghey fan in this lot. I would have been fine blaming MM if Rossi would have finished 4th. I can't blame him for Rossi pretty obviously riding him off the track. MM was racing and he was racing hard. Rossi showed his first flaw in years.

I also understand the reaction of a lot here that probably didn't watch Rossi race when he first made it to the 500cc class. The kid was fearless, much like MM. He also pissed off others, like Biaggi. The semblance is uncanny.

Good point about memories being short.

Let me ask members of the crowd that have watched for over a decade: reckless and get-out-of-my-way riding is somewhat common among new hotshots (Rossi ca 2000, MM now, etc), but have you ever seen a case of someone deliberating sandbagging another rider.  That to me is what is so egregious about MM in this instance.  Not the wild riding, but the intentional attempt to hold up and be a wrench in Rossi's title hopes.  PI it may be debatable, but at Sepang it seemed pretty obvious that is what he was doing.  Has anyone ever done that before?

[DarkMonster620]

From the "new crop" of riders, I'd say I am indeed a Crazy Joe follower and somewhat a Vinalez follower too . ..  from the "old crop" I was a Capirossi, Checa, Biaggi fan, and yes, a rossi hatter . . . for the exact same reasons everyone "hated" him or his "younger nemesis" MM  . . . Never liked his "style" and when other did what he did to other, he would always complain but other could NOT complain since he is Dorna's "child" . . . Now, back to being home all day

[Mhanis]

Let me ask members of the crowd that have watched for over a decade: reckless and get-out-of-my-way riding is somewhat common among new hotshots (Rossi ca 2000, MM now, etc), but have you ever seen a case of someone deliberating sandbagging another rider.  That to me is what is so egregious about MM in this instance.  Not the wild riding, but the intentional attempt to hold up and be a wrench in Rossi's title hopes.  PI it may be debatable, but at Sepang it seemed pretty obvious that is what he was doing.  Has anyone ever done that before?

I have been paying attention since the early 90's when ESPN would air the races 2 weeks late at 3am and I cannot remember a rider accusing another of "sandbagging" before. Bikes are SO different from F1 where team orders are very important. The most common response from a motorcycle rider who has been asked "Will you help so-and-so win?" is "No. I will run my own race. Good luck to so-and-so but I'll not be helping".

There may be a case where this has happened before, but I'll be darned if I can remember when.

Mark

[ducpainter]

I'm as frustrated as anyone here, since I don't believe there's a Jorghey fan in this lot. I would have been fine blaming MM if Rossi would have finished 4th. I can't blame him for Rossi pretty obviously riding him off the track. MM was racing and he was racing hard. Rossi showed his first flaw in years.

I also understand the reaction of a lot here that probably didn't watch Rossi race when he first made it to the 500cc class. The kid was fearless, much like MM. He also pissed off others, like Biaggi. The semblance is uncanny.

To a point

Good point about memories being short.

Let me ask members of the crowd that have watched for over a decade: reckless and get-out-of-my-way riding is somewhat common among new hotshots (Rossi ca 2000, MM now, etc), but have you ever seen a case of someone deliberating sandbagging another rider.  That to me is what is so egregious about MM in this instance.  Not the wild riding, but the intentional attempt to hold up and be a wrench in Rossi's title hopes.  PI it may be debatable, but at Sepang it seemed pretty obvious that is what he was doing.  Has anyone ever done that before?

...and this people is what Rossi is pissed about.

He doesn't care if Marc beats him...he doesn't care if there's contact.

He wants Marc to mind his own make the beast with two backsing business and not affect a championship he's not involved in. Of all the things you can say about him Rossi would never do that.

My greatest hope is that Rossi and Marc climb the stairs to the podium together in Valencia...I bet Marc ended up looking worse than Biaggi did.

[thought]

To a point
...and this people is what Rossi is pissed about.

He doesn't care if Marc beats him...he doesn't care if there's contact.

He wants Marc to mind his own make the beast with two backsing business and not affect a championship he's not involved in. Of all the things you can say about him Rossi would never do that.

My greatest hope is that Rossi and Marc climb the stairs to the podium together in Valencia...I bet Marc ended up looking worse than Biaggi did.

+1

My greater hope is that Jlo gets tangled up in traffic and Rossi takes that podium over him though haha.

But yeah... If what MM's done to the championship is considered ok... Will it be done every season now?

[Cher]

I've had a day to cool off after watching the Rossi/Marquez debacle and the one painfully obvious thing about this rivalry is that Marquez will never be Valentino Rossi.  That's got to sting a little bit.  

There's more to be being an entire chapter in the history of gran prix motorcycle racing than stats and Marquez has yet to be anything other than coldly calculating and cynical.  There have been a multitude of extraordinarily fast riders who have won several world titles but none, aside from probably Agostini, that were champions and ambassadors of the sport.

In his haste to elevate himself above Rossi, Marq "Win It or Bin It" Marquez has indeed been a child. This season - with some real competition finally coming out of the Yamaha camp - Marquez has crashed out of as many GPs as he has won - five.  Can't fault him for trying but he's no Rossi and knows it.

So in the grand scheme of things, will Marq Marquez be remembered in the same category as Valentino Rossi?  

No.  


Move along, people.  Nothing to see here.

[Triple J]

Where does everyone think MM learned to ride the way he does in GP...VR! Like carlos said, there is a strong resemblance. MM has just taken it up a bit.

Still, VR has been getting away with roughing up his rivals for years. What is the common thread in all of Rossi's feuds? Rossi. I'm a fan, but when someone becomes a real threat to VR, the gloves come off. We haven't seen it with MM until this season because VR wasn't in the title chase. Now that he is, is anyone surprised?

The difference now, is MM fights back harder and isn't intimidated.

To a point
...and this people is what Rossi is pissed about.

He doesn't care if Marc beats him...he doesn't care if there's contact.

He wants Marc to mind his own make the beast with two backsing business and not affect a championship he's not involved in. Of all the things you can say about him Rossi would never do that.

Not to excuse what MM seemed to be doing in Sepang, but VR called him out the week before. What did he expect would happen? It is highly debatable if MM was helping JLo, or at least trying to slow VR, in PI. After watching the race a couple times, and looking at the lap time data, I think MM was just racing. VR brought this upon himself.

Whay didn't VR call out Iannone for PI? He had just as much an impact on him as MM. Because Iannone isn't a title threat. He was just looking to wind MM up...and he did.

[Triple J]

I've had a day to cool off after watching the Rossi/Marquez debacle and the one painfully obvious thing about this rivalry is that Marquez will never be Valentino Rossi.  That's got to sting a little bit.  

Spoken like a true Rossi fan!

[The Architect]

I now remember why years ago I disliked Rossi.  And why MM was a douche in Moto2. 

Years from now we will forget Rossi's knee jerk but we will remember MM's d-bag behavior. 

Will it be done every season now?

If one rider can disregard their race chances to further another riders position in the standings.  Why not?  Team comes first!  Thanks MM.  Motogp=F1+Nascar