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Speeddog

#210
September 25, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
I've got a customer with a full tilt 848 and a stock FZR400.

I rode the FZR and they're nothing below 10k
Half my brain is screaming and banging the table and shouting SHIFT
The other half is saying to wait until it sounds like it'll explode then wait some more and it'll be fine
Just can't do it
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Monsterlover

#211
September 25, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on September 25, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
I've got a customer with a full tilt 848 and a stock FZR400.

I rode the FZR and they're nothing below 10k
Half my brain is screaming and banging the table and shouting SHIFT
The other half is saying to wait until it sounds like it'll explode then wait some more and it'll be fine
Just can't do it

Yep. I hear you. Things last longer when you're not on the limiter.

Also, left you a message on your shop phone tonight (my time)
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Ddan

#212
September 26, 2020, 02:26:03 AM


Quote from: Monsterlover on September 25, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
This thread is not for people that don't own Supersports to antagonize people that do  :-*

;D

None of you are wrong.

But there is one still running around that I thoroughly molested, and I saw what you did to your last SS, so here I am.  ;D
2000 Monster 900Sie, a few changes
1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
                    flogged successfully  NHMS  12 customized.  Twice.   T3 too.   Now retired.

Ducati Monster Forum at
www.ducatimonsterforum.org

Monsterlover

#213
September 26, 2020, 05:07:51 AM
Id love to know why that engine detonated. It did not meet an honorable end.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Ddan

#214
September 26, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 26, 2020, 05:07:51 AM
Id love to know why that engine detonated. It did not meet an honorable end.

Better that than being left to rust away behind some garage
2000 Monster 900Sie, a few changes
1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
                    flogged successfully  NHMS  12 customized.  Twice.   T3 too.   Now retired.

Ducati Monster Forum at
www.ducatimonsterforum.org

Monsterlover

#215
September 26, 2020, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: Ddan on September 26, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Better that than being left to rust away behind some garage

There's that I guess. That engine dropped a valve and that's what caused all the damage.

I always wondered if it was me not seatint the half rings correctly on the closing shims. Thinking more back on it, I did run that motor for a little while before it exploded. Test run up and down the road etc

I feel like if I didn't seat the half rings correctly that problem would have become apparent immediately
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Ddan

#216
September 28, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 26, 2020, 01:11:12 PM


I feel like if I didn't seat the half rings correctly that problem would have become apparent immediately

Your clearances would have suddenly been off if you didn't have it seated right, you would have known before you put it back together
2000 Monster 900Sie, a few changes
1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
                    flogged successfully  NHMS  12 customized.  Twice.   T3 too.   Now retired.

Ducati Monster Forum at
www.ducatimonsterforum.org

Monsterlover

#217
September 28, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
Got the FCR's and air box in tonight. The air box was a gigantic pain in the balls.

Oil cooler is back in place and the tank is back on. Even connected and hose clamped the fuel lines ;D
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

koko64

#218
September 28, 2020, 09:43:59 PM
I cut off the tab which holds the cable tied loom on the steering lock/ignition. That gives 5mm more clearance for the air box. I separate the air box from the battery box for ease of assembly/disassembly. I relieve the battery box with a Dremel to expose the tops of the FCRs to allow dynamic synch and easy access for needle changes.
2015 Scrambler 800

Speeddog

#219
September 28, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 26, 2020, 01:11:12 PM
~~~SNIP~~~

I feel like if I didn't seat the half rings correctly that problem would have become apparent immediately

Quote from: Ddan on September 28, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
Your clearances would have suddenly been off if you didn't have it seated right, you would have known before you put it back together

The first or second oil change on my S4 I found a single half-ring on the magnet.
From my memory it suddenly got really huge like I was zooming in on it but I think it was just my eyes bugging out like bugs bunny in a cartoon.
When I calmed down a little I thought about it and concluded that the valve stem would've snapped in short order on a 7mm.
I think you'd have a little longer with an 8mm valve but I'm just not seeing a 2:1 safety factor in that.
But not so much that, as the load path gets eccentric and a good bit of freeplay as well.
In my general experience those two events on a hard working mechanism and it detonates quick.
It'll just bend the valve end back and forth til it breaks then the valve falls inside.
- - - - - Valley Desmo Service - - - - -
Reseda, CA
(951) 640-8908

~~~ "We've rearranged the deck chairs, refilled the champagne glasses, and the band sounds great. This is fine." - Alberto Puig ~~~

ducpainter

#220
September 29, 2020, 04:30:26 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 28, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
Got the FCR's and air box in tonight. The air box was a gigantic pain in the balls.

Oil cooler is back in place and the tank is back on. Even connected and hose clamped the fuel lines ;D
Are you going to seat of the pants tune the carbs, or do you have a dyno guy?
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Monsterlover

#221
September 29, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 29, 2020, 04:30:26 AM
Are you going to seat of the pants tune the carbs, or do you have a dyno guy?

Pants. If it seems to run well I'm not touching it. Carburator is french for "leave it alone"
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#222
September 29, 2020, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 29, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
Pants. If it seems to run well I'm not touching it. Carburator is french for "leave it alone"
Keihin is Japanese for plan to screw with them. ;D
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Monsterlover

#223
September 29, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
I have a 41 single on my supermoto and it's been set and forget.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducpainter

#224
September 30, 2020, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on September 29, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
I have a 41 single on my supermoto and it's been set and forget.
Was it OEM?

I wasn't saying that they get out of adjustment. Getting it set ,optimally, can be the challenge.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


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