Rode a 1098

[kutter]

This is a pretty funny thread.  Compare the bikes by taking them out in a set of twisties or on a track.  Taking a 1098 around the block or in a parking lot is like taking a girl on a first date and then saying you think you know enough to marry her. 

I own both a S4r and a 1098s.  The differences between the two are night and day.  I love the Monster and will always own one, but as my friend says it's like riding a lawn mower compared to the 1098. 

I was going to throw the BS flag but since i don't have nor have I ever ridden an S4 I did not think it appropriate so thanx ducducgooseme for pointing out what I find some of the most absurd statements I have heard in a while.

I loved my Monster, if that idiot had not pulled out in front of me I would have it in addition to my 848, but to say that an S4 is in the same performance envelope as a 1098, frankly is just silly. Monsters are great motorcycles and loyalty is a wonderful thing but it does not give you an extra 30HP to keep up with that red rocket.

I have a question for you too arai_speed. I noticed in another thread that your buddies 1098 quit on him during a ride, is this the same one you rode? Me thinketh that there be something wrong with that bike so I am not sure you rode an accurate representation of a 1098.

As far as someone said about comparing them to a Japanese inline 4, I will only say this, I have a friend with an R1, he rode my 848 and he said that out of the hole it is without question the fastest motorcycle he has ever ridden and that on anything other than track with a long straights he would rather be on something that made torque down low and rocketed out of the corner. He is now looking at selling both his CBR600RR and his R1 and getting a 848 or 1098. I told him to get the 1098S or R if he can swing it, he is easily good enough to justify the added power a 1098 provides over an 848.

[JDS 07 S4Rs]

Noooo,, lets not go this route. As I said, I havent driven the 1098 for more then a block. Yes I would love to put it on a track. Somebody want to lend me one  ? ?  :)I did own a 99 - 996.
Out of the hole,,, well thats all based on driver skills. The High torqued Duc's will be easier to launch then the I4's. But,,, dont ever bet againest a skilled rider on a I4 in a stop light to stop light race. Or, to the 1st corner at the track.
Just on a side note. MOST people that U lend your bike to will have nothing but compliments on it,,, thats just the nature of MOST people. Whether they are really that impressed,,,,,,,,,,well,, who knows. I guess if they do sell there bike's & buy a 848 or 1098,, ya, that would truely tell the story.

I am not putting down a 1098,,, I would love to own one. &,,, I wish I had more experience riding one.
I guess,,, I will just shut my BIG YAP,,,until I have ridden one for a day or 2 

PS: I dont think the oringal OP was that impressed with the 1098.

[arai_speed]

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I have a question for you too arai_speed. I noticed in another thread that your buddies 1098 quit on him during a ride, is this the same one you rode? Me thinketh that there be something wrong with that bike so I am not sure you rode an accurate representation of a 1098.

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Hey Kutter, when I rode his bike the problem I posted about (the bike dying) was non existent.  What an accurate representation of a 1098 is I honestly don't know...I would think that any 3 month old $17K 1098 would be an accurate representation of said bike.  Now, I never said the bike wasn't fast or didn't go, but I wasn't blow away by it either.  I posted my opinion, yours and others will differ, simple as that.  This same friend owns a 2005 R1 and in his opinion the 1098 has "NOTHING" on his R1 when it comes to power.

The only thing he likes better about his 1098 when compared to the R1 are the breaks.

[MadDuck]

I've ridden two different 1098's. The first one didn't impress me. It hardly seemed  to have any more power than my 999 does and the brakes were terrible. The front brake lever would almost mush to the grip. I didn't tell the owner about the power but I mentioned the brakes to which he replied that he thought it was fine. The next 1098 I rode was an absolute animal. The acceleration and yank caught my attention real fast and the brakes were first rate. Moral of the story: depends on the bike and how it's set up. Having ridden the fast 1098 I think I'll stick with the 999 for a while. I don't need anything stronger than that for sure.

[arai_speed]

I've ridden two different 1098's. The first one didn't impress me. It hardly seemed  to have any more power than my 999 does and the brakes were terrible. The front brake lever would almost mush to the grip. I didn't tell the owner about the power but I mentioned the brakes to which he replied that he thought it was fine. The next 1098 I rode was an absolute animal. The acceleration and yank caught my attention real fast and the brakes were first rate. Moral of the story: depends on the bike and how it's set up. Having ridden the fast 1098 I think I'll stick with the 999 for a while. I don't need anything stronger than that for sure.

Both bone stock bikes?  If they were, then that sucks balls, I would be pretty f-n angry if I got a new 1098 and it turned out to be a "slow" model 

[He Man]

Maybe one was a 1098, and the other a 1098s?

We are talking about Showa forks with radials and shock on the 1098
and Ohlins forks shocks with radial mono brakes on the 1098s

Is there traction control on the S?

[Triple J]

Maybe one was a 1098, and the other a 1098s?

We are talking about Showa forks with radials and shock on the 1098
and Ohlins forks shocks with radial mono brakes on the 1098s

Is there traction control on the S?

I believe the brakes are the same on both the 1098, and 1098s...and R for that matter.  They're crazy good.

Only the R has traction control...and only with the DP ecu.

[696Racer]

This is a pretty funny thread.  Compare the bikes by taking them out in a set of twisties or on a track.  Taking a 1098 around the block or in a parking lot is like taking a girl on a first date and then saying you think you know enough to marry her. 

I own both a S4r and a 1098s.  The differences between the two are night and day.  I love the Monster and will always own one, but as my friend says it's like riding a lawn mower compared to the 1098. 

You know, I don't get the guy that said something about scarsasm, i ain't no scarsarm!  I married my H.S. sweetheart and was ready since the first night I saw her at the DQ!  I think that my bike maybe a little slower than 1098 but probably not that much.  the 1098 is okay, would look better with some balsa wood bodywork!  If you need help, I can help, let me now.

[kutter]

Its possible I had too much coffee when I sent out my last post so if I did offend, then apologies to all.

When I read everyone's comments following mine it made me think about what kind of shape each bike is in for comparison. The dealer/mechanic that works on your bike has a very profound impact on the performance of said scooter. Having said that we do not always have the luxury of multiple dealers, more is the pity. I have never ridden an R1 so I cannot comment on how fast they are but the certainly have a reputation for being a very fast bike, hence the reason I was surprised when my friend said what he did.

I was curious about my friend so I sent him an e-mail, he has already sold the CBR and has someone interested in his R1. He spoke to my old dealership about an R model 1098 and I think he is going to do what he can to get one. I think he said they have 1 or 2 in stock. The riding in south Florida sucked but by God they did have a plethora of Ducati support down there, I miss that considering my scooter is 350 miles away at the dealer for a warranty repair on the charging system 

I had heard the same thing about the brakes on the 1098's, all were the same and they will flip you over the bars with one finger. ABS would be a nice thing to have with stopping power like that.

[MadDuck]

Both bone stock bikes?  If they were, then that sucks balls, I would be pretty f-n angry if I got a new 1098 and it turned out to be a "slow" model 

Both were stock base models. I bet that the owner of the "slow" one with the spongy brake will crap in his pants once he gets the bike back from a decent service.

[Dockstrada]

To be honest  I found the 1098 very boring to ride, maybe it was just me but it felt like, how can I say a bit placid in comparison to the S4RS way of power delivery, you guys who own one would know what im talking about.

The power delivery from the 1098 felt like it was delivered through a big fire hose you could feel the power in it plenty there, but you sorta needed to wait  for it ,where the S4RS power its sorts delivered via a big bucket thrown right at your face and you just need to deal with while gasping for air.
Not to say 1098 is not an awesome machine you can feel the race heritage egging you on to take it to the track  ,flicks like crazy but

[LA]

I know what you mean Dockstrada. I took a pretty spirited 15 or so mi. ride up on the Blue Ridge Parkway on a 1098 Demo. I really liked the bike, but the shop owner was expecting me to gush over the superior power and handling of the 1098 over my kitted S4RS and sorry, but it's just not there. The power of the S4RS did seem to be more immediate somehow and if you look at the power curves for the two bikes the big hit from the 1098 comes in as you get to 8,000. Most street riding doesn't get the benefit of the upper rpm rush. Of course I've got 24,000 mi. on the S4RS so I'm very comfortable on it I'd have to spend a lot more time on the 1098 to make a really valid comparison.

The RS is soooo much more comfortable to me, but then I'm old and had two back surgeries.

If I was going to buy a 1098 it would have to be a fully kitted "S" model for sure and with the bars up a little.  And with this new low, low interest from GE Money bank ........ I don't know ...... a black and gold 1098s? .... maybe?

I guess what I'd really like is a 1098S motor in what I already have.

LA