One more suspension question: Rear Ohlins swap for an S2R 800

[swift.]

Is there a rear suspension with remote reservoir for this setup?  All i have found are an integrated unit.  I know bike of the month (inspiring) is an S2R 1000 with remote.  Thoughts?  Thanks guys!

[teddy037.2]

IIRC, the rear shocks for the AC S*R should be the same

[Slide Panda]

My best suggestion is to find out the dimensions of the S*R shocks, and then consult Ohlins for as near a match as possible that has a remote res. 

One candidate might be the shock found on the 2000 900S

Some ohlins info
http://www.hardracing.com/Shocks%20&%20Steering%20Damp/OhlinsPricingMID.htm

OR you could just ask Celli...

[teddy037.2]

or penske, since their shocks are built to order.... 

[booger]

you want the Ohlins DU333 kit, with the 46 HRCS shock

[swift.]

you want the Ohlins DU333 kit, with the 46 HRCS shock

Do you know if any modifications are necessary?  Or is it pretty much plug and play?  I did ask celli ; ) He could't remember which model he had.  Thanks for all the responses guys.  Cheers.

[ducpainter]

My best suggestion is to find out the dimensions of the S*R shocks, and then consult Ohlins for as near a match as possible that has a remote res. 

One candidate might be the shock found on the 2000 900S

Some ohlins info
http://www.hardracing.com/Shocks%20&%20Steering%20Damp/OhlinsPricingMID.htm

OR you could just ask Celli...

An SS shock will not work on a Monster.

The spring rate and damping are totally different.

[S2daRk]

Do you know if any modifications are necessary?  Or is it pretty much plug and play?  I did ask celli ; ) He could't remember which model he had.  Thanks for all the responses guys.  Cheers.

Just plug and play. To save some money, I upgraded my S2R 800 shock to the adjustable Showa S4R shock and the ignition coil got in the way of the integrated reservoir, so I had to relocate the coil.

Since the Ohlins comes with a remote reservoir, you shouldn't have that problem.

[Monstermash]

As bergdoerfer stated, order the DU333. it's pretty much plug and play.

If you haven't already decided where you are ordering it from, I would give Dan Kyle a call (www.kyleusa.com) He has the best prices on Ohlins in the country. I almost went with the DU333 on my S2R1K and I think he quoted me around $850 for it.

Or.......

For a little less money you can get a much better shock.

http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?department=clearance&product=1379

They still have it listed so I am assuming they still have one in stock.

I did this mod a little over a month ago and the shock is awsome!

Here is a link to the thread: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=6652.0

[DrDesmo]

As bergdoerfer stated, order the DU333. it's pretty much plug and play.

If you haven't already decided where you are ordering it from, I would give Dan Kyle a call (www.kyleusa.com) He has the best prices on Ohlins in the country. I almost went with the DU333 on my S2R1K and I think he quoted me around $850 for it.

Or.......

For a little less money you can get a much better shock.

http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?department=clearance&product=1379

They still have it listed so I am assuming they still have one in stock.

I did this mod a little over a month ago and the shock is awsome!

Here is a link to the thread: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=6652.0

Tom -

Just out of curiousity, what makes the Matris "much better" than an Ohlins?

IIRC, no one's importing them into this country, so (just like my cyclecat's  ) what's the plan if you need to rebuild it, revalve it, etc - all standard stuff ?

Adam

[ScottieDucati]

Ohlins: 200+ World Championships

Matris: 0. 

Hmm.

[OwnyTony]

Ohlins: 200+ World Championships

Matris: 0. 

Hmm.

He may be saying that for the price, the matris would be better.

What you say is like saying something along the lines of this.
Who or what manufacture has won the most world championships?  Get the lowest line from that manufacture and say that the bike is superior to the d-16 because that manufacture has more wins than Ducati.

[ScottieDucati]

Bottom line is, anything is an upgrade over stock.  Matris, Penske both make very quality pieces.  Last I checked, a 46HRC was not a bottom-end shock from Ohlins.  One thing you will notice, is Ohlins shocks generally continually evolve and get better with each iteration.  A penske for example you buy today, is largely the same as one you could buy 3-5 years ago.  That's NOT saying it's a bad shock, mind you.  Neither is a Matris, they are all quality pieces.  I had a Wilburs shock that was a work of art, and a very nice shock...

But if you compare apples to apples, there simply is nothing that has the track record or global support to out-match a quality Ohlins unit.

If you go to Dan Kyle, you will save $$$$$$$$$$$$ versus getting one at the dealer.  Matris shocks are on CLEARANCE for $800, which will buy you a 3-way adjustable Ohlins.  I guarantee you the Ohlins is of higher quality and as Dr. Desmosedici pointed out, who are you going to get to support and service your Matris shock??? They have squat for a support network here in the US.

Also, Matris, Penske, Elka, etc... all give shocks to some top national level riders to race... but even Bayliss and Ducati Corse or locally Pegram and his LeoVince Foremost Insurance Ducati must buy their equipment from Ohlins.  People buy it, because it's the best. Period.

Is that to say that for less money than either of those you can get a double-adjustable Penske which will be a phenomenal shock that's easier to service would be a poor decision? Absolutely not, it's a great shock and great support network, built for you at a great price! 

If you aren't seriously track-riding or racing there's no need for a high-end fully adjustable shock, and a Penske is probably your best bet.. but for $800, a Matris isn't exactly cheap (they retail for $1500), and is certainly NOT a better shock than an $800 Ohlins.

[Monstermash]

Tom -

Just out of curiousity, what makes the Matris "much better" than an Ohlins?

IIRC, no one's importing them into this country, so (just like my cyclecat's  ) what's the plan if you need to rebuild it, revalve it, etc - all standard stuff ?

Adam

What makes then better? Better materials including stronger billet in the shock body and reservior, also better internals like valves, etc.

Jason at Department of Suspension can do any maintenance that it will need. He used to be a Matris dealer but decided to drop them because he said they are too hard to deal with. I guess thats a complaint with a lot of Italian companys.

Ohlins: 200+ World Championships

Matris: 0. 

Hmm.

Yeah, this coming from the guy who uses Penske on all his bikes. 

  Matris shocks are on CLEARANCE for $800, which will buy you a 3-way adjustable Ohlins.  I guarantee you the Ohlins is of higher quality and as Dr. Desmosedici pointed out, who are you going to get to support and service your Matris shock??? They have squat for a support network here in the US.


If you aren't seriously track-riding or racing there's no need for a high-end fully adjustable shock, and a Penske is probably your best bet.. but for $800, a Matris isn't exactly cheap (they retail for $1500), and is certainly NOT a better shock than an $800 Ohlins.

When was the last time you rode a bike with Matris suspension? I'll guess....... never.

To make a claim like this you have to have all the info and NOT just base it on reputation. If that was the case a good number of us probably wouldn't be riding Ducatis. All I ever heard from people before I bought my first one was "those things break down all the time and the maintenance cost is not worth it etc....." If I listened to them I neve would have bought one.

Bottom line is this....You know absolutely zero about Matris. You've never owned any of their products and have no experience to back up this claim. I have owned several bikes with Ohlins and as you know my current bike has the Matris. IMO Matris makes better products. I was skeptical at first when Jason at D.O.S. suggested I look at them because I was just about to buy the Ohlins. And for what it's worth, D.O.S. is an Ohlins dealer so it's not like he's just trying to sell me the Matris stuff just because it's something he sells/sold.

Jason has been doing suspension for a long time and I value his opinion. And although I do usually value your opinion on anything motorcycle related because you have a significant amount of experience yourself, I have to disagree with you on this. If you had any kind of experience with the Matris stuff I might be more inclided to listen but in this case I think you're speaking out of school. Sorry.

[DrDesmo]

What makes then better? Better materials including stronger billet in the shock body and reservior, also better internals like valves, etc.

Jason at Department of Suspension can do any maintenance that it will need. He used to be a Matris dealer but decided to drop them because he said they are too hard to deal with. I guess thats a complaint with a lot of Italian companys.

Wait, Italian Companies are difficult? Get outta here 

Good to know about Matris, i'm looking at some aftermarket options for the S4R, but am thinking about lightening up the spinning bits first ... 

Adam